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To editorSangdeboeuf:Latin Europe is the name for the parts of Europe where theRomance languages are spoken. Rome, Italy is where the terms "Latino" and "Latina" come from. "Latino" is the ethnicity the Romans used during theRoman Kingdom throughout theRoman Empire and currently use in present-day Italy. I know because I'm an Italian. My nation is Italy, my nationality is Italian, but my ethnicity is Latino. My ancestors, the Romans (Latins) invented the alfabeto latino (Latin alphabet) to speak their language "il Latino" (Latin). During the Roman Empire, Julius Caesar introduced Cultura Latina (Latin Culture) throughout the Italian peninsula and its isles, and onto present-day Switzerland, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, England, etc. All were considered Latino people by Caesar. Some European countries broke away from being called "Latino" while others remained. The fact is, you're using the alfabeto latino introduced in Italy.
You've said elsewhere that you're from the USA. You're using the name Sangdeboeuf here on Wikipedia (which is French for blood of beef). The French are Latino people. They were Latino-ized by Julius Caesar millenniums ago. There's no denying Italy is the oldest Latino country in Europe (and in the world). But after World War II, France became the largest and Spain became the second largest. Italian and Sardinian are the spoken Romance languages which are the closest to pure Latin. If you're the one who keeps changing my edits on theLatin article by putting Romanian and Aromanian languages ahead of Italian and Sardinian, stop doing that. Those languages have had too much Slavic influence over the centuries. And Romania is not where Latin comes from in the first place.
You're confusing the word "Latino" with the term "Latin American" ("latinoamericano"). The termLatin America was only invented about 150 years ago. It was instigated by the British arriving in Plymouth, Massachusetts, calling it "Anglo-Saxon America", eventually growing to 13 colonies, having a war with Mexico and claiming an erstwhile chunk of Mexican land called California. This made the Mexicans retaliate by gaining the support ofLatin Europe to create the term Latin America. Although Latin Americans speak Romance languages of Europe, I see a lot of Native American culture, art and structure there (I know, the people in the US think that the Native American people are down to a paltry 1%. They should take a look at the Native American population south of their border and then take a look at how the Native Americans from Latin America are reclaiming the USA.) Moreover, there is a lot of Black African culture, art and structure in Latin America. As a Latino, I feel like a foreigner in a Latin American country. Albeit lovely, Latin American culture was made during the last 500 years between Europeans, Native Americans and Black Africans. It's totally different from the Latino culture of Rome.
When the Europeans lost interest in immigrating to the United States, a few decades ago, the US president said the US would begin focusing on its Latin American neighbours as the new immigrants. What the US should have done for its census was added "Latin American" to it and have a list of Latin American countries under it so immigrants could check their countries of origin. But, the US didn't want to use "Latin American" or "latino-americano". It decided to use "Latino" and claim that the first known use of the word came from California in the 1860s which is beyond silly. Even sillier is calling it a Spanish-American word (meaning a Spanish word made in the US because people in the US stubbornly won't admit that America is a continent not a country). I know America is a continent, because "America" is named after the Italian scholar and navigator Amerigo Vespucci. I recognize the alfabeto latino andRoman numerals in the wordAmerica: "A" "M" ("M" doubles as a Roman numeral) "E" "R" "I" ("I" doubles as a Roman numeral) "C" ("C" doubles as a Roman numeral) "A".
I saw you and several others naysaying the usage of the word "Latino" on the "Latino talk page" or "Latinx talk page". It was said that in Spanish dictionaries "Latino" and French dictionaries "Latine", in their proper usage pertaining to people of Latin Europe, were not really enforced. One of you claimed something to the effect that they doubt the Spaniards and French take their dictionaries seriously (not to forget we Italians, the Portuguese, et al.) Well, we do! But... does the English-speaking community take its own dictionaries seriously? They claim "America" means the US, and "American" means people who live within the US. That's not what our dictionaries in Latin Europe and Latin America say. Also, one of those on-line English dictionaries, The Free Dictionary by Farlex, claims that an Anglo-Saxon is any white person who lives within the US. It's WRONG! The Italians, French, Spaniards, Portuguese who live there are white Latins. The Greeks are white Grecians. The Slavics are white Slavs. The Norse are white Nordics. The Latin Americans (many who self-identify as white) are white Latin Americans. They're not Anglo-Saxons! The US, Britain, Australia and New Zealand use absurd protesting definitions for "America", "American" and "Latino" while in Latin Europe and Latina America we know the real deal. You should join us and respect our ethnicity. We respect yours.R. Martiello (talk)13:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
THE CULTURA LATINA, THE LATIN PEOPLE, THE LATINO (Latini) TRIBES, THE LATIN ETHNICITY ALL COME FROM ITALY! LATINO IS THE SOLE IDENTITY OF SOUTHERN EUROPEAN/ LATIN EUROPEAN MEDITERRANEAN DESCENT/DIASPORA. Latin europe was Latinized by ROME ITALY hence how the place Latina italy got the historical Latin name LATINA! Because that is where the REAL cultura Latina LATIN CULTURE and people comes from! & HISPANIC (Hispania) is literally the Latin language MEANING SPAIN NOT the NATIVE AMERICANS they Colonized. Latin America got its name SOLELY and ONLY to mean the part of the Americas CONQUERED by LATIN EUROPE and that is all it will EVER MEAN. The same way “Anglo” America got its name. REAL Latin ORIGIN, HISTORY & THE REAL LATIN PEOPLE are NON INTERCHANGEABLE. STOP THE delusion, erroneous, false influences of the Anglo languages MISAPPROPRIATION, BASTARDIZATION, CULTURAL ERASURE AND CULTURAL RAPE OF MY PEOPLE AND OUR ANCESTRY. BRAINWASHED ANGLO LANGUAGE SPEAKERS AND AMERICAN/ MOSTLY NORTH AMERICAN CULTURAL APPROPRIATION & CULTURAL THEFT AS TRENDING PROPAGANDA IN ATTEMPTS TO APPEAR MORE DESIRABLE FOR SOCIAL STATUS FOR SOCIAL ADVANTAGE WILL NEVER BE LATINO. CULTURAL APPROPRIATION AND CULTURAL ERASURE EXIST BECAUSE THOSE LIKE YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BENEFIT FROM THE CULTURAL RAPE TOWARDS US TRUE LATIN PEOPLE AND OUR HISTORICAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS! AND US TRUE LATINS WHOM ARE MEDITERRANEAN ARE & HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MULTI GENETICALLY MIXED ETHNIC PEOPLE DUE TO OUR GENETIC CONTRIBUTORS FROM OUR MIDDLE EASTERN, NORTHERN AFRICAN, AND BALKAN (Albanian) DNA. THERE ARE NO "WHITE" LATINS. JUST MORE CULTURAL ASSIMILATION AND CULTURAL ERASURE. SOUTH CENTRAL AMERICANS AND MEXICANS ARE NATIVE AMERICANS, MESTIZOS, CASTIZOS, PARDOS, ZAMBOS, AND PURE SUB SAHARAN AFRICANS. NOT LATINS, NOT LATIN BLOOD, THEREFORE NOT LATINO! IN SOUTH CENTRAL AMERICA AND MÉXICO THE ONLY PEOPLE CALLED LATINO AND ARE US SOUTHERN EUROPEANS OF LATIN MEDITERRANEAN ORIGIN. OBVIOUSLY THE SAME IN LATIN EUROPE. PUSHING AND CONTRIBUTING TO BRAINWASHED NORTH AMERICAN/ THE ANGLO LANGUAGES MISAPPROPRIATION OF FOREIGN TERMS SUCH AS LATIN/LATINO AS TRENDING PROPAGANDA FOR SOCIAL STATUS TO APPEAR MORE DESIRABLE DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE CONTINUING CONTRIBUTIONS OF CULTURAL THEFT. THE TERM LATINO DERIVES FROM THE TERM LATINI, THE LATINI WHERE THE VERY FIRST LATIN TRIBE TO EXIST FROM ITALY! LATINI IS PLURAL MEANING MORE THAN ONE LATINO! AND LATINO IS SINGULAR FOR LATINI MEANING ONE LATINO. THE SAME WITH LATINA AND LATINE. ALL TERMS CREATED BY THE TRUE LATIN PEOPLE OF ITALY. THE TERM LATINO AND LATINA ORIGINATES FROM ITALY! TERMS CREATED BY THE REAL LATINO ANCESTORS! THE AMERICAN/ ANGLO LANGUAGES MUTILATION AND CULTURAL RAPE OF ITALIAN LATIN EUROPEAN TERMS NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED AND PUT TO AN END! THERE IS A REASON AS TO WHY ITALIANS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WITH THE SURNAME LATINO AND LATINI! THESE LATIN NAMES WERE CREATED TO IDENTIFY WITH THE LATINO HERITAGE AND LINEAGE OF ITALY! YOUR PEOPLE ARE INDIGENOUS AMERICANS AND AT THE VERY MOST MESTIZO AMERICANS! YOU HAVE NO SANGUE LATINO LATIN BLOOD FROM THE LATIN ANCESTORS OF ITALY! REAL ETHNICALLY LATINO MEN AND WOMEN HAVE TYPICAL MEDITERRANEAN FEATURES! THAT IS WHAT ACTUALLY BEING ETHNICALLY LATINO/ LATIN REPRESENTS!2600:2B00:9636:D700:EC8F:3307:7905:A8F4 (talk)03:35, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@CAVincent You just can't stop getting your vapid and denial-riddled self bested here on Wikipedia when it comes to this subject. I recently bested you on Wikipedia'sLatino (demonym) talk page. What the person above told you is true. Moreover, the American continent that you live on was named after a Latino, the ItalianoAmerigo Vespucci. His given name was derived from the ancient Latino (Latin in English) given name Americus. America (Americas) only got its name in the 16th century CE. Latino was used as an Italian given name and surname before the American continent got named.Latino Malabranca Orsini was an Italian cardinal who lived in the 12th century.Latino Latini (Latin Latins) was a 15th century Italian scholar.Latino-Faliscan languages and people lived in Italy in the 1st century BCE. Latino (Latin) originated in Rome in the 7th century BCE.Italia is the world's Number 1 cultural superpower. You're using tried and true Latino culture each day of your life. Italy's alfabeto latino (Latin alphabet) was tried in the 7th century BCE and its trueness is evident in that in the 21st century CE you use the alfabeto latino every day of your life to read, write and type in. 13% of Latino words are from Greek words. This is as it should be considering the Greeks invented Italy. On the other hand, 2/3 of English language words are pure Latino words: "plus", "non", "ultra", "per diem" or derived from Latino words: "per capita" from the Latino "per caput", "maximum" from the Latino "maximus".
Truthfully, theItalians are the ONLY Latino people on the planet. WhenJulius Caesar created theRoman Empire, he spread Latino culture up the Italian peninsula to Milan and down to Sardenia and Sicily. Latino became theLingua franca in lieu of Greek. Caesar then spread Latino culture to theCeltics, theGermans and all the way up toRoman Britain. After the Roman Empire, the people of Europe maintained Latino as their language. The Celtics andVisigoths of the Iberian peninsula were speaking Latino in the 10th century CE when theAl-Andalus Muslims conquered them. It was difficult for those al-Andalus Arabs to adapt to Italy's Latino language and Latin alphabet because they were using their ownArabic language andArabic script when they arrived on the Iberian peninsula. This is why Spanish and Portuguese sound so Arabic-like. The letter J is the Long I. It was invented as a closure to Roman numerals: MCVLIIJ instead of MCVLIII. It's pronounced "i" as in soft vowels a,e,i,o,u instead of what got corrupted into hard vowels A,E,I,O,U.
The al-Andalus Muslims of Spain can't pronounce many Latino letters correctly. Instead of pronouncing the J as in the male name Jan (pronounced "EE-an") and the G (as in Giovanni), they pronounce them as H. The Spanish name Jorge (George) is pronounced "whore-hay". The S as in Sardinia is pronounced as a TH as in "Loth-an-hell-eth" (Los Angeles). The Muslims created languages (Spanish and Portuguese) derived from and using many Latino words that the Visigoths and Celtics had maintained since Caesar's empire a millennium prior. The al-andalus MuslimSpanish empire andPortuguese empire, and theFrench empire andBritish empire came two millenniums after Latino was invented in Rome, Italy. They were proud empires, but not Latino ones. In the 1850s, Californians were livid because Anglo-Saxons won Spanish California (Mexico) for the US owing to war. Mexican officials fled to France and decided they should be called "Latin Americans". You don't go to France to ask if you can be called "Latin" or "Latino". You go to Italy which is something the Mexicans didn't do. Ergo (which is the Latino word for "therefore"), the Mexicans and United Staters are using corrupted and sham usages of the Roman words "Latino" and "Latina". Mexico is pronounced incorrecty by the al-Andalus as "Meh-hee-co". The letter X in "Mexico" is the Roman numeral 10 as well as the letter X as in the Latino words "Lux" ("light"), "Maximus" ("maximum"), and "Exodus". The Anglo-Saxon pronunciation can be much closer to the Latino/Italian pronunciation. I find people of Hispanic and Portuguese-speaking backgrounds can pronounce the words with more of a European flair if they're born and raised to speak English in the USA.D.Gormade (talk)17:06, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
