Talk:La traviata
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I removed the lyrics to "Un di, felice, eterea" and placed them in an article of their own, as I belive that they do not belong on the page about the opera.
Could it be convenient to add original titles of arias, being the way they are sung?
The program notes for the Metropolitan Opera's production of La Traviata say: In La Traviata he (Verdi) took on for the first - and only - time a contemporary play in contemporary dress...It was some time, however, before Verdi's "modern-dress" idea was put into practice. Scores up to 1914 continued to specify "about 1700." In 1896 Bernard Shaw wrote of a sight "familiar to every opera-goer.... Violetta in the latest Parisian confections and Alfredo in full Louis XIV fig." Should this be incorporated into the article?MHarris04:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've temporarily removed the following to this talk page because it seems rather redundant given the information contained in the Synopsis. However, please don't take this to mean that I view this information as useless for the article; rather, I'd like to promote a discussion on how we might better re-incorporate the material back into the article. (Perhaps we might find a way to include a listing of the musical "numbers" alongside the synopsis of each act?) --Todeswalzer|Talk20:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Act 1
Violetta's home. Ensemble of the guests.
Act II
At a country house.
Act III
(Often played as the second scene of Act II.) At Flora's house.
Act IV
Bedchamber of Violetta.
Here's the section in the present text:The title "La traviata" means literally The Woman Who Strayed, or perhaps more figuratively, The fallen One, an allegorical reference to the fallen angel, "Satan".
I could be wrong, but I don't think that one can apply a direct allegory to Satan here. "Fallen One", yes, but maybe we're overinterpreting?
The original audience appears to have been puzzled by the fact that the opera had a contemporary setting. This seems inconsistent with the statement in the synopsis that "Many modern producers of La traviata set the opera in the 19th century.", and its implication that earlier producers did not.HenryFlower15:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I utterly fail to see why the 1983 movie should not be listed in the section "Films and other versions" and is instead included in a list that otherwise includes only audio recordings. I especially utterly fail to see whyUser:Whjayg is edit-warring to keep it that way. When I first madethis change, I did so because I thought there was no reference to the Zeffirelli filmat all on this page, because there was no reference to it in the only logical place to look for it. —Angr04:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
-Jay (talk)06:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Surely the similarities between La Traviata and Moulin Rouge should be mentioned? And I'm sure there are plenty of other stories following a similar story line?—Precedingunsigned comment added by24.20.60.45 (talk)10:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In Romania, in the final act, before meeting Alfredo, Violetta collapses to the floor and men and women wearing masks from the ball in Act II sing some puzzling aria of the Great Ox being in the streets of Paris. The lighting flickers and Annina presents Alfredo. However, he is wearing a white translucent cloak, as is his father and Gastone (who enter the stage at a later time). When she finally dies (after stating that she feels much better), they do not react. I think this hints to the fact that when Violetta collapses, she starts having illusions of what she wants most (Alfredo, the blessing of his father and to get well). Sadly, they are not real, but at least she made peace with herself.I'd like to know if this is a variation of the original opera and, if not, maybe the synopsis should be changed to reflect that89.122.248.132 (talk) 20:37, 8 A)pril 2009 (UTC)
In the article, the famous aria is mentioned as (quote) Addio del passato – "So closes my sad story" (unquote). This is obviously misleading as it is in no way an accurate translation or even a rephrasing of the aria's lyrics. It obviously has to do with the fact that the three words "addio del passato" are not a full phrase and do not mean anything on their own. I suggest it is changed to: Addio del passato bei sogni ridenti - "Farewell to the happy dreams of the past". Unless someone objects soon, I will have it incorporated. (Desiderius82 (talk)10:32, 13 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Traviata does not "literally" mean fallen woman, though it may mean that figuratively. The word is from the verb traviare, wich means to mislead. Traviata means literally, one who has been mislead. Violetta refers to herself as a traviata, just once, right after she has read Germont's letter in the final act.She is describing herself as a fallen, misguided woman in general, but also specifically as wrongly advised by Germont to follow his advice.76.224.222.246 (talk)19:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)LB[reply]
Would someone please explain what anon-sexual courtesan is? Is it anything like a virgin prostitute?WilliamSommerwerck (talk)20:28, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I seem to remember a filmed performance when singers where in "real" situations and locations,
in Paris or in France,while the orchestra was playing simultaneously in Rome; this was then hailed as a fantastic success of technology. Does anyone knows what I am mentioning? If identified, it is worth a mention, I believe. It was acclaimed as a very good performance, too.89.64.79.94 (talk)18:21, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ApparentlyMichael Bednarek believes to be entitled to delete sourced pronunciations, both English and native... Other works of art have pronunciations, e.g.Les Misérables,Mona Lisa... and they are protected pages! --92.184.96.116 (talk)11:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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