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I would argue that kitesurfing is a combination wakeboarding and paragliding. The other sports (skateboarding, surfing) are ancestors of wakeboarding (seeExtreme Sports), so you are basically repeating them.Tavernsenses (talk)13:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Currently, the wikiKiteboarding page describes Kiteboarding as a land-based sport alternatively namedKite Landboarding. ("Kite Landboarding" is set up as a wiki referral link to the current wiki "Kiteboarding" page). Actually, AFAICT, the sport generally referred to in the real world as "Kiteboarding" is a water-based sport which has Kitesurfing an alternative name, and which has land-based and snow-based offshoots. A number of websites, publications, and organizations exist which support this interpretation of what Kiteboarding is and is not (seehttp://www.kiteboardingmag.com/index.jsp,http://www.ikointl.com/index1.php,http://www.ikiteboarding.com/,http://www.ikiteboarding.com/kiteboarding/articles/what-is-kiteboarding.aspx, etc.)
Besides water-based and land-based versions of Kiteboarding, a snow-based version exists which is referred to as "Kite Snowboarding" or, as "Snow Kiteboarding", or as "Snowkiting". A wikiSnowkiting page currently exists.
It appears to me that page-naming on this within wiki is out of sync with nomenclature usage in the real world. Barring strong opposition, I intend sometime in the near future to do the following in an attempt to correct this situation:
Coomments? Outraged objections? Alternative suggestions? In hopes of having a single-pronged discussion on this, I ask that the discussion take place on the currentTalk:Kiteboarding page.
Posted on theTalk:Kiteboarding,Talk:Kitesurfing, andTalk:Snowkiting pages --Boracay Bill05:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
History of kitesurfing - perhaps someone could write up a brief history of the sport from Cory Roeseler's original rigid-fram 'KiteSki' (sp?) to the modern foil kites and international sport we know today...
Associations - Also, I'm from Western Australia so I only know about AKSA/WAKSA and the IKO, but perhaps somebody else could link other kitesurfing associations?
splintax07:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Internationally, Kiteboarding is governed by the International Sailing Federation and has been recognized as such by the International Olympic Committee, which I believe is the highest instance regarding such matters. The offical name there is "Kiteboarding" so I would suggest to use the term Kiteboarding instead of Kitesurfing.— Precedingunsigned comment added byMschwendtner (talk •contribs)09:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A few days ago, User:Tfmajor revised aKiteboarding wikilink on theBoracay page to readKitesurfing instead. Noting that Wiki has sepaprate pages for Kiteboarding and Kitesurfing, I revised that further to mention both names for the sport.
I am not a KiteBoarding/KiteSurfing person, and I find it confusing to have two names for what is apparently the same sport and to have separate wiki pages for each of the two names. Could these two wiki pages be combined, with the page being located at whichever is the most generally-accepted name for the sport and the link for the alternative name made a redirect link?
Note: This section was posted to talk:Tfmajor, talk:Kitesurfing and talk:Kiteboarding --Boracay Bill23:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The two major english language magazines, SBC Kiteboard and Kite Boarding made a deliberate decision in the late 90's to refer to the sport as kiteboarding. It was thought at the time that the term kiteboarding better described the various styles of riding and meshed more closely with the naming of the other action sports of Skateboarding, Wakeboarding, and Snowboarding. Kitesurfing is used primarily in the UK to describe the sport, and has it's roots in windsurfing.—Precedingunsigned comment added by74.127.244.227 (talk)12:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All brands & magazines are referencing to this sport as "Kiteboarding". Why wikipedia still sticks to old name?VladGenie (talk)08:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In order to address the cleanup-spam tag, I removed several redundant links and saved one or two of each kind. There is no need to link to three different kitesurfing forums, for instance. --Danaman522:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There were too many random links and some wern't in english, so I reorganized them into groups to make it easier to look up more info on kitesurfing. --Denis bda 27 May 2006
Equipment Makers
--Peter CampbellTalk!07:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I removed a commercial link recently added, and wound up cleaning up the links section, including the tag. If anyone has a problem with the changes, please discuss it here. I tried to follow the WP policy, but it is not always cut and dried. I looked at all the web sites, and dropped any that were obviously commercial, had significant advertising (other than simple Google ads) or a single product focus.Dhaluza02:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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@Dhaluza: i'd suggest a single link toKiteatlas.com, an international (english language) kitesurf atlas containing detailed infos on kite locations worldwide. It looks good and well-thought, it's open content, non-commercial and contains other web 2.0 community tools (blog, forum, buddies,...). Have a look and eventually consider it for inclusion in the non-commercial links.
It could replace the various single local sites as:
Comments apreciated.
--sputnikzz11:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw this sport for the first time down onSandymount strand two weeks ago. Six guys were doing it and it looked out of this world!193.1.172.16322:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there,
Looks like there is some confusion about terms for this sport - kiteboarding vs. kitesurfing. Here are my comments:
"Kitesurfing" refers most specifically to riding waves (surfing) on a board and using a kite. This is only a small but growing part of the sport and people don't really differentiate it when they talk about it."Kiteboarding" refers to riding on a board with a kite, mainly on flat or choppy water.The best reference would be that all the main magazines ("Kiteboarding" by World Publications and "SBC Kiteboard" by SBC Media) use the simple "kiteboarding" terminology.I believe there has actually been editorial written in one of these magazines about this specific topic of the correct name for the sport. Might be worth having someone look into.
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I agree with you. This page should be renamed to Kiteboarding, it is the correct name for this sport. Kitesurfing is only a part of Kiteboarding sport, meaning techniques of wave surfing with kite. IKO is about kiteboarding, all big gear producers use term kiteboarding.VladGenie (talk)02:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I agree as well. as mentioned above, internationally, Kiteboarding is governed by the International Sailing Federation and has been recognized as such by the International Olympic Committee, which I believe is the highest instance regarding such matters. The offical name there is "Kiteboarding" so I would suggest to use the term Kiteboarding instead of Kitesurfing.— Precedingunsigned comment added byMschwendtner (talk •contribs)10:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the categories Extreme sports, as well as water and air sports as all three seem obvious after watching some people doing this in Rio.Pejorative.majeure22:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Parasurfing redirects to Kiteboarding. If individuals are using stylized parachutes and not kites, shouldn't that be included as an alternative name, esp. if the redirect is already there? Nowhere in the article is the word "parasurfing" mentioned, nor is even a parachute included as part of the equipment that can be used.Pejorative.majeure22:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The list is getting rather long for the already long main article. I suggest we move it to a stand-alone list article linked from here.Dhaluza12:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE - TheCategory:Kitesurfing locations I recently created to catalogue locations has been listed for deletion. You can vote or comment on thishere. This means the newly createdKitesurfing locations article may also get deleted, unless editors vote to keep it.Peter Campbell07:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The following content has been removed from the article pending reworking. The content is copied from a website and much of it duplicates what is already in the article. In addition,peacock terms are included.Peter Campbell22:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kite surfing as one of the fastest and most recent growing extreme water sport in the world is becoming safer due to improvements in kite design, safety release systems and training. Kite surfing methods are being constantly enhanced and so with the gear and equipment which are developed continuously seeing that this sport continues to gain popularity. There are a variety of reasons why people go kite surfing. Below is a list why increasing numbers of individual are getting engrossed in this sport[1]:
-- It shoud have not deleted in the first place... You should have at least edited it, if in conformance to your judgement is true. It seems that you know what is opt to do then. You should have edited for further expansion and edition... The information listed is not really bad. It only needs revision. We both know for a fact that the information was placed because of a purpose? And not to be just judged and removed....Reader contributor07:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
References
The article contains a lot of how-to content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. Also, there are a lot of 2nd person "you" references, which are also inappropriate. Recent edits have made this problem worse, instead of better.Dhaluza04:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have made a start on removing the "you" references in the article. When this has been done, will look into moving the how-to sections out and clearing up the tag.Richard Thompson(Talk! |Contribs)08:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hallo Peter, with my contribution I would like to enlarge the area of the 2-linekites (beginnerkites) and point out to a security breach not considered by the supplier of a 2-linekites: A 2-linekite which can modify into a 4-linekite, has 3 attachment points on each kitetip. The attachment points are not visually different. Own tests have shown that the kite, if the attachment is different on each kitetip, cannot be controlled as expected.Because the range of the kitetips, which can be changed any time, a warning sign should be added at the kite or in the instructions to avoid accidents. The pilot will check the attachment before kiting and can be sure that the kite flies well. I like to add even further details to the flight behaviour of a dejusted kite. My question now, do I have to start a new report or may I add my experiences into the above one?Anja—The precedingunsigned comment was added byKiteroulette (talk •contribs) 12 February 2007.
Better yet post it on my "how-to" Wiki over athttp://www.how2kitesurf.homeip.net - Its looking for content!
Hallo Peter, may I write following: A 2-linekite, which is convertible into a 4-linekite, has 3 attachment points in the range of the kite tips. The attachment points are not visually different. A different combination of the attachment causes a uncontrollable flightbehaviour.
'cause I have made the experience, I do have the copyright. Till now, the bad flightbehaviours of a dejusted kite were not published. With my contribution I would like to make use of my right and publish these now.
When will you publish my article? Do I have to publish first the technical report of an engineering office? Do I have to send it via e-mail. The technical report states the problem with a 2-linekite. Maybe I have to create a homepage which show this technical report? I really don't know. Please give me some advice. Anja—Precedingunsigned comment added byKiteroulette (talk •contribs)16:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The board leash is a dangerous piece of equipment. I would suggest to remove it from the list of equipment items. It is not important and in fact dangerous to use a board leash and removing it from this page will contribute to the safety of the sport.— Precedingunsigned comment added by86.173.246.125 (talk)22:41, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have shifted the snowkiting image recently added to this artile to thesnowkiting articlePeter Campbell01:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The following external link has been added (by IP address edits andUser: SurfboYbe and removed several times from the article:
It appears to be semi-commercial to me - at least as a directory of sellers.
Opinions on whether this is worthy of inclusion please (e.g. support, oppose):
ok—The precedingunsigned comment was added bySurfboYbe (talk •contribs) March 8, 2007.
I have just created theCategory:Wikipedian kitesurfers for Wikipedians to add to their userpages. You can use by adding[[Category:Wikipedian kitesurfers|{{PAGENAME}}]] to the bottom of your user page, or add{{User:Peter_Campbell/Userboxes/Kitesurfer}} to your user page to display the userbox and add the category. --Peter Campbell13:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have created a diagram showing board grabs and the different names for each grab, shown above. The image isSVG and I release it for anyone to make use of/change to make it better/informative. How do people feel about inclusion in the article?Richard Thompson(Talk! |Contribs)17:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
--I see no harm once this image is used... I have personally reviewed and tried as what is shown on your diagram.Reader contributor06:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Information has now been added to the main article, any problems please discus/let me know -Richard Thompson(Talk! |Contribs)15:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The other non commercial links needs to be addressed, I feel. There are now a lot of links that I feel would be better suited on theKitesurfing locations article rather than the main article. Any comments?Richard Thompson(Talk! |Contribs)07:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have now moved the links to theKitesurfing locations article.Richard Thompson(Talk! |Contribs)08:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
HangGliderHistory has just been added to the article - it doesn't have much content on kitesurfing at all so I think it should go. Any other thoughts on this?Peter Campbell23:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lots of .com links in this section, as at March 16 2008 the .com and.co sites, with my suggestions, are:
Peter Campbell07:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A link tohttp://www.kiteboardingreview.com/ has recently been re-added twice. While this site is notionally non-commercial I note that one manufacturer has provided a prize for a competition on the site and reviews for their kites figure prominently. I don't think there is much significant content on the site, and there are numerous commercial links on it. Can editors please indicate whether theysupport oroppose inclusion of this external link?Peter Campbell23:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Different styles of kiteboarding are developed. I think they difference is necessary to understand for everyone, who is interested in kiteboarding. They are also important to understand before buying new equipment, which is one of the most basic question with all newcomers to sport.
These styles are buried in Terminology right now and can't be extracted from there. They are important, since wakeboarder or surfer could start kiteboarding because he understands, that we could do almost the same things with kiteboarding.
VladGenie (talk)09:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Peter, I've written this text myself. I know aboutWikipedia:No_original_research policy, but can we find "peer-reviewed journals; books published by university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers" about kiteboarding styles? Maybe some magazines have done review of styles, we can do some research.
Tell me, if discussion on kiteforum.com could be such "peer-reviewed" source. I could start that discussion to determine styles, that will suit most kiters.
Regarding your proposed section, I wouldn't include competition-only styles like Course racing, Speed and Kite Cross, since none of kiteboarders are doing it on a regular basis. Also Jumping and Downwinders are subsets of other styles, but I think that keeping it short is important here. I would include only distinct styles. That is why Speed/Racing/Course race style should be included, because it has distinct gear and people involved into it.
Also it could be good idea to tell, where people from other sports should look to.
| Style (+ video link) | Description | Similar sports |
|---|---|---|
| Freeride | Most of riders are starting from this style — just riding back and forth. All locations and equipment are good for this style. Twintip boards and kites with best relaunch and widest wind range are used most. | — |
| Freestyle/Old-school | This style usually means high jumps hooked-in with rotations, grabs and board-offs. All types of kites and boards are used, as all types of spots. | — |
| Wave-riding[1] | As name suggests, spots withwave break are required to do wave riding. Most of riders use directional boards (with straps or strapless) with bow/delta kites. Basic move is to make carving turns on top and bottom of the wave. Kite pull is used less, since power of wave is enough to surf it. Many surfers prefer this style, since it resemblestow-in surfing. Some riders do it unhooked after reaching the wave to minimize distance tosurfing. | Surfing,tow-in surfing |
| Newschool/Wakestyle[2] | Crossover fromwakeboarding, newschool riders perform unhooked tricks and handlepasses. Flat water is perfect for this style, use of big twintip boards with high rocker and wake booties is very common. Most technically difficult style, usually practiced by young riders. | Wakeboarding |
| Kiteloops/Megaloops[3] | Rides of this style like to jump high and then perform kiteloop while in the air. Kiteloops allows riders to generate enormous amount of pull and speed. Kiteloop is called megaloop, when it's performed with kite as low as rider itself. Ruben Lenten is most popular rider of this style. Most of kiteloop kiters do it on short lines and small kites. C-kites and twintip boards are most common here. | — |
| Wakeskate[4] | Wakeskaters use strapless twintip board, similar toskateboard. Flat water and other conditions similar to Wakestyle. | Skateboarding |
| Course race/Speed | Kiters use very big directional boards with big fins (similar towindsurfing) and big kites. The goal is to outperform other kiters and come first in the race, or gain maximum speed. | Windsurfing |
Also, looks like pages likethis exist, even there are no reliable sources about performing ollie trick :)
VladGenie (talk)11:36, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
References
{{cite web}}:Missing or empty|title= (help){{cite web}}:Missing or empty|title= (help){{cite web}}:Missing or empty|title= (help){{cite web}}:Missing or empty|title= (help)I had a debate withUser:KiteAnalyst on the number of kitesurfers. After reading theISAF Kiteboarding Format Trials Report, I replaced the 250000 figure cited in a North sailsbrochure by the 1.5M cited in the ISAF report.User:KiteAnalyst reverted it a few days later explaining : "The source for your update (ISAF Kiteboarding Format Trials report) does not offer a credible source for those figures". I reverted again with : "The International Sailing Federation is the international body reviewing kitesurfing for the olympics. You won't get a much more more credible source than this one."
He then added the phrase "These figures, however, have not yet been independently verified" labelled "Added disclaimer to 2nd paragraph. The source of those figures is not ISAF but the IKA, a promotional/lobby association for kitesurfing". Thinking it was a bit harsh (but partly true), I changed the phrase to a more balanced formulation : "the number of kitesurfers not yet reviewed has been estimated by theISAF andIKA". The writers of the report are: Kamen Fillyov - Chairman of the ISAF Windsurfing & Kiteboarding Committee, Bruno de Wannemaeker - ISAF Equipment Committee, Michael Gebhardt - Olympic Windsurfer and professional Kiteboarder, Markus Schwendtner - Executive Secretary, International Kiteboarding Association. 2 ISAF, 1 IKA. Not really blinded lobbyists.
I agree that's a large number, but it seems more realistic than 250000 : in France alone, there is 25000 licenses in the biggest federation, mainly for students, and on the spots there is one in ten people with a license, so there is pehaps 200000 kiteboarders. France should be a quarter of Europe (UK : another quarter, north sea : another quarter, latin europe : another quarter), so it could be 800000 kitesurfers in Europe, half the world. Wild guess for me, but the ISAF/IKA should have asked national federations for estimations, they could be very close to the reality. --Marc Lacoste (talk)10:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I have a couple of questions. In the sentence "Leading edge inflatable kites, known also as inflatables, LEI kites or C-kites, are typically made from ripstop polyester with an inflatable plastic bladder that spans the front edge of the kite with separate smaller bladders that are perpendicular to the main bladderto form the chord or foil of the kite." - what exactly forms the chord or foil? The smaller bladders? Or both the smaller and the main bladders? And ischord synonymous tofoil? --CopperKettle13:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
well we found the black box sorry go to the sit www.bbc.com— Precedingunsigned comment added by109.78.139.156 (talk)17:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It should contain relationship with kitesurfing.Setenzatsu (talk)16:37, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Do Kiteboards really count asman-lifting kites? There is a discussion on this atTalk:Man-lifting kite#Kiteboarding. — Cheers,Steelpillow (Talk)17:58, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I added a citation needed tag to the comment on newer gear being safer. While it seems true, a reference/source would be useful. And without a source, how do we know it's true?Twasonasummersmorn (talk)01:18, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Je me nomme Alexine et je suis étudiante à l'université de Montréal, je souhaite à travers ce texte vous partager ma passion, le kitesurfing.C'est unsport nautique palpitant qui combine la puissance du vent avec la grâce de la glisse sur l'eau. Les adeptes de ce sport sont souvent captivés par la sensation de liberté que ce sport permet de procurer . La sensation de se laisser porter par les vagues tout en étant propulsé par une aile est époustouflante. CommeErnest Hemingway l'a si bien écrit dans "Le Vieil Homme et la Mer", le kitesurfing incarne parfaitement l'idée que "l'homme n'est pas fait pour être un animal de somme, mais pour voler comme un oiseau. Le kitesurfing a évolué au fil des décennies pour devenir un sport à part entière, avec ses propres compétitions et communautés passionnées. Les riders se servent d'une planche de surf spéciale et d'une aile de kite pour se propulser à des vitesses impressionnantes. Le contrôle de l'aile est essentiel, car il détermine la trajectoire et la vitesse du rider. Les figures aériennes et les sauts spectaculaires sont courants, offrant un spectacle visuel époustouflant pour les spectateurs.Le kitesurfing ne se limite pas à la performance, il permet également une connexion profonde avec la nature. Glisser sur l'eau, ressentir la brise marine et observer le monde sous-marin à travers une eau cristalline crée une harmonie entre l'homme et la mer. CommeJohn Masefield l'a exprimé dans son poème "Sea-Fever", les kitesurfers partent "vers l'horizon, pour le large et le vaste ciel", explorant l'inconnu tout en s'émerveillant devant la majesté de l'océan."Cependant, il est important de noter que le kitesurfing est un sport exigeant qui nécessite une formation adéquate pour garantir la sécurité. C'est unsport extreme ou c'est la nature qui choisit. Les riders doivent être conscients des conditions météorologiques, des courants marins et de l'équipement qu'ils utilisent. Comme le disaitMark Twain, "La connaissance est la seule chose qui soit capable de vous sauver dans ce monde, et la seule chose qui peut vous couler."Alexinecuoq (talk)15:01, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is an overly-wordy article as a whole
Nothing is mentioned about the risk of death in kite-board surfing. For example, Stargate SG1 actor Cliff Simon is cited as have died over a kite-boarding accident.2600:6C48:7006:200:5C10:C716:750B:C3B2 (talk)00:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]