Talk:Killing of Manadel al-Jamadi
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"Died during interrogation at Abu Ghraib prison". Now that's a nice way to put it...GregorB 20:46, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
As I commented above, the initial intro of this article read "died during interrogation at Abu Ghraib prison". Back then, I changed it to "tortured to death during interrogation at Abu Ghraib prison". Now it's "thought to have been tortured to death".
I find it still a bit too weasely. The article documents well that he was indeed tortured to death, as confirmed by multiple witness accounts, and further backed by authopsy findings. There is nothing uncertain nor unclear about this, nor there is a reasonable alternative explanation of his death - at least none that is mentioned in the article. Therefore, I'm changing it back to the prior wording.GregorB17:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I had to change it to the "tortured to death part"68.147.221.4918:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)sammyG[reply]
I dislike the wording "...tortured to death..." in the opening line, as I believe that represents a statement of opinion. If it's a statement of fact, can someone point me to an external source, where a neutral source established that he was in fact "tortured to death", and not simply "was killed as a result of repeated beatings and a Palestinian hanging"? I see the "tortured to death" line (especially in the opening line of the article) lending itself to a potential NPOV tag unless it's backed up with external sources.UUbuntu04:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The use of the photos of Chuck Graner and Sabrina Harman seems excessive. Neither was involved in al-Jamadi's death, only in its documentation, and the use of these photos distracts attention from the article. There are many other photos of al-Jamadi in the body bag that could be used here, while these photos are found in many articles. --Vrmlguy (talk)13:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The DoD investigation docs show two CIA interrogators, also they describe the conditions much better than the article does, and the chain of events, together with the length of the interrogation.Rich Farmbrough,23:53, 19 February 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Manadel al-Jamadi wasmurdered in 2003 while in U.S. custody at Abu Graib Prison in Iraq. On the page about him it merely claims hedied while in U.S. custody. Dying is something that happens naturally. Murder is a crime. Why doesn't this article hold the U.S. military accountable for this war crime by calling it what it actually was (i.e. a murder as as opposed to a mere "death")? Such language is necessary to accurately convey the nature of what went on there.
This article treats its subject far too softly. It also creates a double standard for Iraqis since all the dead American casualities are always reported as having been "killed" (which is a a variation on murder). This implies that American lives were "taken", whereas the Iraqi's lives simply ended. There is no accountability on the American side.
This may sound trivial and, yes, it is obvious that anyone who reads the article will quickly understand that what happened there wasn't just an ordinary "death". But nevertheless, for the sake of fairness and consistency, I think we ought to re-word it. Just because the mainstream (western) media all report it this way is not a justification in itself for our doing so as well.
Just as it is possible to damn someone with faint praise, it is also possible to praise someone with faint condemnation. That, in my opinion, is what this article is doing in it's treatment of this war crime.05:21, 27 June 2012 (UTC)Chuck1278 (talk)
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