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The following is a closed discussion of arequested move.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider amove review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was:no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below.Dekimasuよ!02:11, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It certainly appears that the topic of this article is the dietary laws themselves, for which "kashrut" is the common English spelling of the term.ONR(talk)16:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: "Kosher laws" is a far more common English term for the dietary laws themselves than "Kashrut". I'm not sure that "Kashrut" is even considered to be a proper English word by the article, as the article italicizes the term throughout the article, signifying that it's a foreign word rather than an English word. Moving the article toKosher laws is another possibility.Rreagan007 (talk)17:26, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose perWP:TITLE/WP:NOUN. The proposed title does not reflect the topic of the article and is an adjective rather than a noun. According to the article,kashrut is a set of Jewish religious dietary laws, while the adjective that describes food that may be consumed iskosher. The article deals with the dietary laws and not merely foods that are kosher. In print sources (and Google web searches), the term "kosher laws" is far less common than "kashrut" according tothis Google ngram. If there is really a problem with the current title, a descriptive likeJewish dietary laws would be a better choice. —AjaxSmack01:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of arequested move.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in amove review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Some processes convert a meat or dairy product into apareve (neither meat nor dairy) one. For example,rennet is sometimes made from stomach linings, yet is acceptable for making kosher cheese,[1] but such cheeses might not be acceptable to some vegetarians, who would eat only cheese made from a vegetarian rennet. The same applies to koshergelatin, an animal product, derived from kosher animal sources. Other gelatin-like products from non-animal sources such asagar agar andcarrageenan arepareve by nature.Fish gelatin is derived from fish and is therefore (like all kosher fish products)pareve.Eggs are also consideredpareve despite being an animal product.[2] Bread is often prepared without dairy to be pareve[3].
Kashrut has procedures by which equipment can be cleaned of its previous non-kosher use, but that might be inadequate for those with allergies, vegetarians, or adherents to other religious statutes. For example, dairy manufacturing equipment can be cleaned well enough that the rabbis grantpareve status to products manufactured with it. Nevertheless, someone with a strong allergic sensitivity to dairy products might still react to the dairy residue, and that is why some products that are legitimately pareve carry "milk" warnings.[4]
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^The rennet must be kosher, either microbial or from special productions of animal rennet using kosher calf stomachs.Oukosher.orgArchived 2012-03-06 at theWayback Machine, Retrieved August 10, 2005.
APareve (orParve) food is one which is neither meat nor dairy. Fish fall into this category, as well as any food which is not animal-derived.
Eggs are alsoconsideredpareve despite being an animal product.[1]
Some processes convert a meat or dairy derived product into a pareve one. For example,rennet is sometimes made from stomach linings, yet is acceptable for making kosher cheese.[2]but such cheeses might not be acceptable to some vegetarians, who would eat only cheese made from a vegetarian rennet. Gelatin derived from kosher animal sources (which were ritually slaughtered) are alsopareve.[3]Such cheese and gelatin might not be acceptable to some vegetarians, who would eat only cheese or gelatin made from a vegetarian sources.
Other gelatin-like products from non-animal sources such asagar agar andcarrageenan arepareve by nature. Fish gelatin, like all kosher fish products, ispareve.
Jewish lawgenerally requires that bread be keptparve (i.e., not kneaded with meat or dairy products, or made on meat or dairy equipment).[4]
Kashrut has procedures by which equipment can be cleaned of its previous non-kosher or meat/dairy use, but those may be inadequate for vegetarians, those with allergies, or adherents to other religious statutes. For example, dairy manufacturing equipment can be cleaned well enough that the rabbis grantpareve status to products manufactured with it but someone with a strong allergic sensitivity to dairy products might still react to the dairy residue. That is why some products that are legitimately pareve carry "milk" warnings.[5]
^The rennet must be kosher, either microbial or from special productions of animal rennet using kosher calf stomachs.Oukosher.orgArchived 2012-03-06 at theWayback Machine, Retrieved August 10, 2005.
@Hydromania: I'm basically fine with your proposal, which I think definitely improves the section. Using underline and strikeout, I made some edits:
"considered" (my style, I guess)
unacceptable to vegetarians—presumably applies to the gelatin issue, too, so I reordered a little, even though it separates meat-derived gelatin from vegetable-derived products. I added a paragraph break, but I don't feel strongly about that.
"generally": Single-serving breads that are known generally to be dairy, say, are allowed by most authorities. That is whyEnglish muffins with dairy hechshers are allowed.
Decide how you'd like to address my proposed changes, then feel free to put it in the article (without the underlines and strikeouts).StevenJ81 (talk)16:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"considered" - I don't really like it. If Jewish law considers it pareve, then, for the purposes of this entry on Jewish dietary laws, it is parve. But I'll leave it in as the previous version had it too.
you definitely improved it. But I think the entire part about vegetarians should be taken out. The parve article goes into it. And obviously kosher animal derived gelatin is not vegetarian.
I think it should be noted that fish is not parve in the same was as a vegetable. Some sefardim for example don't mix fish and milk, and many Jews will not mix utensils used for fish and meat in the same meal. Even if it technically parve, the rules surrounding it should be expanded upon.Haplodiploid75 (talk)20:25, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there@תנא קמא: I personally believe the Wikipedia entry should focus on the general facets of the biblical commandment and the rabbinical additions, rather than the more specific laws of kosher. The 1/60 rule is just getting into details.Hydromania (talk)06:46, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@תנא קמא: The genetically modified foods section needs a rewrite. I haven't found any sources which explain both sides of the question. That specific part should probably just say something like 'it's kosher because the gene is a miniscule part of the fish, and the fish still resembles a kosher fish' as the OU sayshere and drop the 1/60 rule entirelyHydromania (talk)22:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest reading the sources before deleting cited content. The sources discuss tobacco that is certified Kosher for Passover in Israel. This is because tobacco is considered to contain ingredients forbidden during Passover. Maybe there is a better article for this, but I don't know which that is. Maybe I can revise the content and move it to the Passover section. Cannabis issue same, not only for eating, but debate about whether it is a legume. Please do not make things up.Shofet tsaddiq (talk)17:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It has nothing to do with kashruth of dietary, it has to do with chametz issues. I suggest you check your attitude. This article is on the dietary issues of kosher laws, not on chametz issues. Tobacco has no dietary issues and as such does not belong here.Sir Joseph(talk)19:27, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Of course certification is an issue for this article, not only a theoretical dispute that certification has expanded beyond whatshould be covered bykashrut. For this you have presented no supporting sources. To add such commentary would be valuable, if there are supporting sources. However, deletion is not appropriate here,Shofet tsaddiq (talk)19:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I propose merging the pageKosher foods into this one.
Kashrut applies to food. Kosher foods are foods which kashrut permits or prohibits.The subject is exactly the same.
As written now, they both cover the same ground.
I have not foundany discussion on why there are two pages for the same subject.
As the older more stable page (former FA, GA) Kashrut should be the surviving article
The name can be discussed. Kashrut is more accurate, Kosher is more prevalent. However, note that this has been discussed many times previouslyhereherehere and hasn't been changed. Any new discussion should beafter the merger.
One argument to make is that the Kashrut page is too long and clunky. I agree to an extent, and believe that after we merge any useful information from kosher foods into this one we should work on spinning of some of the sections into subpages.
I don't know. Kosher foods is more about the various foods themselves, while this article is more about about the institution of how to certify them. There is a certain overlap between the two, but that is not yet a reason to merge. Another good reason not to merge is that both article are not that small, and a merged article would be quite large, seeWikipedia:Article size.Debresser (talk)09:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Kashrut article is not only foods, it includes manufacturing equipment and details not usually discussed in food articles. Only question is overlap with Jewish cuisine, but this will be controversial and some sources exist to say it does not have to be kosher cuisine to be Jewish.Shofet tsaddiq (talk)19:11, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, this is a tough one. The Kosher foods article focuses more heavily on the foods themselves. It would make for a very long and unwieldy article. Slightlyoppose. --FeldBum (talk)14:12, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It seemed to me when I looked that there was more than a little overlap. I'dfavor merging. But if we're going to say "no" to this, I would strongly suggest that we try to define the boundary between the two articles, rationalize the content of each appropriately, and add hatnotes describing the difference.StevenJ81 (talk)23:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So no consensus (or no involvement?). I reiterate that it makes little sense to have two articles on the same subject. In regards to the "too large" argument, as noted in the start of this thread I sort of agree, but note that the entire kosher food article is not much longer than the laws of kashrut section on this page and most of the items there are discussed in that section already.
Oppose. This issue decided above on April 7, 2018 request.Eschoryii (talk)01:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC) One is a Jewish religion concept and the other an English word definition of food.[reply]
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Prefaced that I live in an (often conservative) Ashkenazi community, I’ve never heard of this my whole life while I knew about the other rules before I turned ~7. Maybe I and most of the internet just missed something, but these are way too obscure to be in the same bullet-list as the others. As such, I’m adding (minor) next to them and wouldn’t be surprised if someone else demoted them to (obscure) at some pointMakhnoboi19 (talk)22:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A section about the various organizations that certify foods to be kosher
There are many organizations that claim some authority to certify foods as kosher. I think it would be useful for somebody to write at least a paragraph about the different organizations that do this. Are they recognized by different Jewish religious streams? Sometimes I see two kosher logos, but I do not remember ever seeing more than two.Pete unseth (talk)17:51, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is an extremely complicated subject that I think if we tried to tackle would have to be its own page. Re: different streams, yes, but there are multiple dimensions. Expensive ritual items like shmurah Matzah are likely to have many symbols. Some symbols are recognized by somedenominations but not others, others are identified with a particularethnic tradition, and a great many are strictly Orthodox but nonetheless understood to be untrustworthy. For example,Magen Tzedek is aConservative Jewish symbol and not relied upon by Orthodox Jews.Badatz Beit Yosef is a Sephardic hechser, which is not relied upon by Ashkenazim in areas of known disagreement.Tablet-K has always been run by strictly Orthodox Jews but is banned by major Orthodox rabbinic authorities. Some Hasidic sects, such asBobov, theoretically restrict adherents to their own in-house symbol. There's a lot of politics involved. TheChicago Rabbinical Council maintains a list of recommended symbolshere.GordonGlottal (talk)20:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is quite extensive, but, applies only to one sect of Judaism. While the Ashkenazi thought within the Rabbinic sect is the largest and most referred-to, this is not the do-all-end-all of rules and regulations, especially for the discussion of kosher eating. This article expresses only ONE interpretation of the eating commandments in the Torah. Minor differences are inclusive of the comparison between Ashkenazi and Sephardic rules and several other larger differences between Ashkenazi and Karaite and other lesser forms of Jewish observance including Samaritans. This is not a complete and comprehensive reference for Kashrut.Rjcb3 (talk)04:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The intro to this article is written in a way that deeply resembles content generated by chatbots. It also lacks the proper citations for its length and depth.173.48.196.11 (talk)04:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The intro to this article is written in a way that deeply resembles content generated by chatbots. It also lacks the proper citations for its length and depth. My apologies for the double comment, it posted twice, one signed in and one not.Thegkz (talk)04:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Addition of "Kosher travel and accommodations" subsection
Added a new subsection titled "Kosher travel and accommodations" under the "Rules" section to enhance the article's practical dimension. Kashrut observance extends beyond home kitchens to temporary settings such as vacations, business trips, or relocations, so a brief overview of the challenges and available resources seemed appropriate.
The content is written from a neutral point of view, emphasizes general guidance and common hurdles, and cites reliable third-party sources (Chabad, STAR-K, OU, published books, etc.). The three commercial platforms (Kvation.com, GoKosher.com, ReserveKosher.com) are presented only as illustrative examples of a broader trend, alongside non-commercial tools and organizations.
Please feel free to copy-edit, expand, trim, or rephrase anything to improve clarity, neutrality, sourcing, or placement. Happy to discuss or adjust further. Thanks!— Precedingunsigned comment added byChany Zilb (talk •contribs)17:50, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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LikeHydromania. --תנא קמא (talk)22:37, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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