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Why is it with Korean english wikipedia pages are always uncited and generally terrible in terms of neutrality? It's like koreans don't believe in what Wikipedia stands for. Look at the political pages, what a joke.Meme3234 (talk)01:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - this really doesn't matter since with the hyphen in place it is clear what is the surname and what is the given name. More needed is to fix the mess with 7 or 8 players with no hyphen so not clear what is the surname and what is the given name.In ictu oculi (talk)01:20, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I believe it should be Hyun-Jin Ryu, just like what Yahoo Sports, ESPN, baseball reference, and every major baseball site in North America states. Also consistent with Shin-Soo Choo, the S in Soo is capitalized. Correct me if I'm wrong.GWST11 (talk)05:17, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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– Ryu and Lim are Major League Baseball players from South Korea. They are very widely known in South Korea for a long long time. Lim made his pro debut in 1995 in Korea Professional Baseball. The case is altogether different in Ryu Hyun-jin or Lim Chang-Yong fromShin-Soo Choo orChan Ho Park. CompareKim Yuna,Park Ji-Sung, andPark Geun-hye. "Yuna Kim", "Ji-Sung Park", "Geun-hye Park" are how their names are presented in English sources in North America especially. Actually, a Korean name is "Gil-dong Hong" in English sources of North America.Hong Gil-dong isJohn Doe of Korea. If he were to become a naturalized U.S. citizen, his name would be changed to "Gil-dong Hong". I hope English Wikipedia respects Korean cultures or Korean custom.Sawol (talk)07:14, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose perWP:COMMONNAME. This has nothing to do with "respect[ing] Korean cultures or Korean custom". The common name policy of Wikipedia states: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." English language sources refer to these two as their articles are currently titled. It's the other Korean pages that need to be moved. – Muboshgu (talk)11:48, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – perWP:COMMONNAME and Muboshgu. "I hope English Wikipedia respects Korean cultures or Korean custom" — bulls**t. Sources in English always take precedent to the native name here. If not,Burma would've been renamed to "Myanmar" a long time ago. —Bloom6132 (talk)15:06, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: "Ryu Hyun-jin" and "Lim Chang-Yong" are alsoWP:COMMONNAME. There is one source[1] in worldbaseballclassic.com. By it, do you think thatorder of all listed names should be changed fromChoi Jeong toJeong Choi? If so, all Korean personal names should be moved to "given name + family name" in Western countries style.Sawol (talk)03:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment can you show the majority of English-language sources use your preferred format? RememberWP:UE, we use the English form of their name,WP:OFFICIALNAME, not necessarily the official one. As they play in North America, and South Korea, the English-language locality concerned with these players would be North America, as South Korea is not an English-speaking locality. --70.24.244.158 (talk)04:28, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The subjects are notable as players in a U.S. sports league, not as Koreans. See ESPN:[2],[3]. It is unfortunate that their employers have reversed their names, but it is not our place to "correct" our sources.192.186.141.233 (talk)22:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There's always a problem with green cards. When you come to US to work but don't get citizenship how much of your identity do you give up? Personally I'd prefer keeping the Olympic Games order, as Korea Times orderLos Angeles Dodgers starting pitcher Ryu Hyun-jin because it says "Korean citizen not US citizen", but most baseball fans looking for an active player won't care whether he is a green card or a US citizen, they just don't want confusion by Chinese and Korean surnames first. On Wikipedia we habitually flip roundall Japanese after 1900 for Japanese still in Japan, so it's not the end of the world. I would say leave it and when his active career in US finishes and he goes back to Korea then flip it round to Olympic/Korean order then. Then only people with a particular interest in Korea will care.
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