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Is this the origin of the modern practice in France and the latin countries? And do we have the Quakers to thank/blame for its absence from Britain/Ireland/USA? I remember reading that the kiss as a greeting was common in England through the Elizabethan period.--Shtove16:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
An editor removed information in good faith, and stated that (letters converted to normal case "I have commented this out because it repeats content already present, and the non-repeated information is chatty and unreferenced. If someone wants to put the lutheran stuff back in, for example, feel free. I feel uncomfortable doing so myself without a reference." The edit was made by86.167.12.64 (talk·contribs). I requested that (s)he leave a note here. I had removed the commented-out note left on the page as that wasn't the best place for it. Thank you.75.53.212.159 (talk)20:55, 3 June 2012 (UTC), modified 20:59, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing. The content I commented out was:
In theRoman Catholic rite of theHoly Mass, as well as in theLutheranDivine Service, immediately after theDoxology, the congregation will partake in the Pax or Rite of Peace. In most Western churches, this involves a handshake and the words "Peace be with you." When the people know each other, a hug may be substituted. Spouses tend to hug and/or kiss each other first before using the traditional handshake and "Peace be with you" for the other surrounding members of the congregation. In lieu of a handshake, a bow to each other is also used as the sign of peace, such as in China, where bowing follows cultural tradition. The bow is sometimes used in the West as a measure to avoid contagions during flu or cold season.
The previous paragraphs have already covered in some detail exactly what happens in the various forms of the Roman Rite, with references. So, this paragraph already starts a bit strangely and redundantly. It then goes on to a somewhat chatty description of what people "may" do, with no references. It looks very much like someone innocently writing up their personal experience. The paragraph after it (also sadly unreferenced, which would be a nice thing to fix) talks about the variable practice in "Reformed" churches, which includes Lutherans as I understand it.
I didn't just remove the information, because I thought that more detail on Lutheran practice could be put back in and referenced, and also some of the information on cultural variation and contagion could be interesting if it could be referenced. So, I hoped that leaving it there would prompt those things being re-added in better places, with references.
The problem is that it's very easy to reference what is Catholic practice, because everything is clearly documented and managed, whereas I don't really know where to start with Protestant practice, even a specific denomination such as "Lutheran", because everything varies so much.86.167.12.64 (talk)21:53, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
By Googling I found out that for some churches, and originally, the "holy kiss" is/was a kiss on the lips. But that was after reading way more of this article than I wanted to read. Let's put this clarifying material up at the top, so that all our words are defined. There is already an image of a painting depicting a kiss on the lips, but the article text should also note this fact, for the sake of verbal precision, and for the visually impaired.A5 (talk)07:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
