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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Oppose. It is most irregular to form an English-language plural according to the conventions of another language. As a map feature, they are "Die Halligen". However, it is common to use the word to refer to an island with specific characteristics, rather than as the proper of an island group:
But that's not the topic of this article. This article is about the group of islands off the coast of North Friesland, not a type of islet. We have an article atBahamas because it's about a group of islands, not a type of island. —AjaxSmack20:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you are referring to one island, what else would call it? I get193 (89 deghosted) post-1990 English-language GBook hits forhalligen Frisian,138 (122 deghosted) forhallig Frisian. If you want to spend the night on one, there's "Hallig rental" ($126/night). If "hallig" is the English-language singular, that's the root and the name we should use for the title. A correctly formed English-language plural would be "Hallig Islands". (278 --87 deghosted-- GBook hits). "Hallig Islands (Germany)" is a library catalogue subject heading, call number DD801.H15 B4.Britannica says "Halligen Islands", which is not as good, but acceptable as well.Kauffner (talk)10:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you are referring to one island, you would use its name (e.g.Langeneß,Süderoog). Halligen is used to refer to the group.Cf. the Bahamas. We don't refer to one Bahama (exceptGrand Bahama); all of the islands together areBahamas with each having its own name. Neither Hallig nor Halligen are English names and they are not exonyms so we simply use the official form. Note the similar non-English plurals given above in the nomination. —AjaxSmack01:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article is about the specific group of islands, thus named, not about the generic concept of "a hallig". An alternative would beHalligs, thoughthis ngram seems to indicate that Halligen is more widely used in recent, English-language books. That we should refrain from using "English-language plural according to the conventions of another language" is rather emphatically contradicted by the contents ofCategory:Pasta.WP:OTHERSTUFF, I know, but tasty stuff.Favonian (talk)17:05, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, let me try to explain my convoluted logic. I (and others) have argued that the singular form is inappropriate for an article about a group of islands. Since somebody (you actually) disapproved of the foreign plural, "Halligs" was on the table. Let's consider the poor old equine sufficiently punished!Favonian (talk)19:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
It seems like since the move proposal was settled in 2012, additional English sources have been written regarding these islands. I suspect this is because they have now been a UNESCO biosphere reserve for a decade. There seems to be a strong showing for translating them as Hallig islands as well as Halligen islands. So, my proposal would be to move the page to Hallig islands, and have Hallig, Halligs, Halligen, and Halligen islands redirect to Hallig Islands. Also looking at"Google Ngrams", it looks likehallig andhalligs have been slightly preferred overhalligen in English books over the last decade. Not necessarily a very strong argument, but I think it's useful directional guidance. I'm also including a few links below with the Hallig islands usage in different contexts, in sources ranging from highly reputable to clickfarms.
