Talk:Edoardo Agnelli
Page contents not supported in other languages.
 | This article is ratedStart-class on Wikipedia'scontent assessment scale. It is of interest to the followingWikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||
who the hell writes this crap. everybody knows that Islam prohibit commiting suiscide. its impossible that he commited suiscide. most probably he was killed for a reason or another. his family clearly hates him and they do have connections with the mafia. this article lacks too much detail to be of any real use.—Precedingunsigned comment added by198.36.32.29 (talk •contribs) 00:24, 7 August 2006
old page needs a re-write—Precedingunsigned comment added by69.142.27.37 (talk •contribs) 00:25, 7 August 2006
We don't know for certain that he did actually convert to Islam. Even if he did, he may not have remained a Muslim for the rest of his life. In any case, whilst Islam is interpreted by most to absolutely prohibit suicide, there are, nevertheless, known cases of Muslims who have committed suicide. Not every person who belongs to / follows a religion actually adheres to all of its rules, all of the time.Nietzsche 2 (talk)02:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This article seems very sympathetic towards the Agnelli family (phrases such as "There are only so many disasters that can hit a dynasty, and the Agnellis have had most of them twice"). This does not sound very neutral to me.Frickeg22:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the prod tags on this article because the subject clearly has plenty of significant coverage in reliable sources to establish notability, and the conspiracy theories make him more notable, not less. I shall be expanding the article over the next few days using these sources:
Though his death was ruled a suicide, what kind of injury etc was fatal? Did he drown, or die of some kind of physical impact? It is important to clarify the manner of death, especially when there is confusion / conflicting reports regarding the matter. What, specifically, were the results of the post-mortem and inquest?Nietzsche 2 (talk)02:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
IP editors have been changing "the death was considered by Italian investigators to have been suicide, but there is a theory in Iran that his death was orchestrated by Israeli agents" to "the death was considered by Italian investigators to have been suicide, but is thought to have been orchestrated by Israeli agents". This gives the impression that this is a generally accepted view rather than a fringe opinion, so shouldn't be presented in this way. Also I fail to see the relevance of his uncle and cousin dying of cancer, or of the ethnicity of his nephew. I'm reverting back to the prvious version. Please discuss here before trying to make such a change again.Phil Bridger (talk)14:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is a view accepted by many. The deaths of his uncle and cousin are to point out that non-Jewish members of the family in line to take over Fiat died in very mysterious circumstances, with Elkann becoming heir to the empire. This is to elaborate on the theory that Agnelli was assassinated by Israel.—Precedingunsigned comment added by77.42.179.51 (talk)16:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I support removal. I've had a look at the sources, and the theory is complete nonsense, sinceJohn Elkann was already the stated heir of the company and had been for years. The company had been restructured by the father years ago to stop Edoardo from inheriting. Nothing related to inheritance could be gained from killing him. See the John Elkann article and the fortune magazine reference in this article.
There is no reliable source stating the acceptance of the theory, merely that some people believe it. It also creates internal contradictions in our article. I think thatWP:WEIGHT andWP:FRINGE means that such non notable fringe theories should be excluded from this biography. This isn't an article about Edoardo Agnelli Conspiracy Theories, it's a biography.Phil153 (talk)20:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that the more notable of the two people with this name is the one with the page nameEdoardo Agnelli (industrialist). He played a major role in the development of bothFiat andJuventus, achievements that would seem to far outweigh those of the subject ofEdoardo Agnelli. I would propose movingEdoardo Agnelli to another title (suggestions welcome) and movingEdoardo Agnelli (industrialist) toEdoardo Agnelli. Another alternative would be to makeEdoardo Agnelli a disambiguation page with qualified titles for both subjects, as has been done in the Italian Wikipedia - seeit:Edoardo Agnelli,it:Edoardo Agnelli (1892-1935) andit:Edoardo Agnelli (1954-2000).Phil Bridger (talk)20:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How do we know the pics really represent who they purport to represent?--brewcrewer(yada, yada)23:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It appears from this article and the way information is being censored out to keep it with the version that certain people want to see it, there is no use to edit it, if you do not belong to the said group. Beware that the censorship board for this article is quite strong and in the hierarchy of wikipedia very high placed. There is no use to add any thing non-western to the article. Any information from out of the west in cyber video or else is not welcomed and does not "exist" as per say or not "good enough".I tried to add a link to the video documentary produced by an Iranian TV and it was censord quite fast. I am sure even Kim Il would be ashamed to see such acts. Anyways the same kind of documentaries of western origins dealing with non-white people are always welcome to be used on wikipedia, as you can see for yourself going through pages of wikipedia. Its a fine example of where the red lines are now. The fascism is still out there, in retreat but very much with its red lines alive today. I dont have much of hope that these writings would stay either and might be censored too, but I must have written them to upheld freedom and truth.—Precedingunsigned comment added by99.243.204.81 (talk)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links onEdoardo Agnelli. Please take a moment to reviewmy edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visitthis simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set thechecked parameter below totrue orfailed to let others know (documentation at{{Sourcecheck}}).
This message was posted before February 2018.After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored byInternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other thanregular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editorshave permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see theRfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template{{source check}}(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot(Report bug)12:39, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have put a "neutrality" tag on the "Death" section of this article. Far too much prominence is given to conspiracy theories, which seem to rely on Eduardo Agnelli being heir apparent to Fiat, which he certainly wasn't, rather than the more prosaic, mainstream, view that this death was suicide.Phil Bridger (talk)18:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk)05:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at thenomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk)07:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
