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Was it really founded in 2004? I thought all they did was change the name.Hevernon (talk)21:06, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi folks,
This relates toEFL Championship,League One/Two andSecond/Third/Fourth Division, and other pages in theCategory:English Football League. I put this in the Championship Talk page as it's the highest-profile article that may be affected.
One problem is that the articles aren't as good as they should be: the Championship 'History' section is so focused on high attendances that it could be written by the EFL. Much of the article length is taken up by filler lists – listing every relegated club (not common on Wikipedia), every relegation from the PL, and every promotion from League One (i.e. things that happened in other divisions!). TheFootball League Second Division article is brief and inadequate for such a historic division. And nowhere makes clear that the FL's preferred brandnames were "Division One", "Two" and "Three" for years in the 1980s–2000s.
The second and wider issue is that the system of articles is a mess, and not because of users here; it's all down to the Football League (as was) and its renamings, and then renamings to undo their other renamings, which made their league even more confusing. As Wikipedia editors, we should focus on what is historically accurate, not on fleeting name-changes.
Would you agree or disagree, that
This isn't a formal proposal of mergers, for the technical reason that some articles don't merge exactly: the 1992 rebrand means the "Second Division" article covers two levels at once.
I also don't want to be "divisive", so to speak – I just want whatever articles we have to be better and more informative. But the current situation doesn't reflect so well on these leagues, and we need a consensus on how to do that better.
Having the Championship article(s) cover 130 years would be a big change, but there are already several precedents for treating each tier as a continuous division through history. Some are rated "good" articles, for whatever that's worth:
Things get silly in the internationalTemplate:UEFA third level leagues, where England has six different articles.
Even with mergers, the combined articles wouldn't be very long as they stand, but potentially could grow if a lot of historical info is added. (like withFA Cup,English Football League,Serie A). If so, there'd be a good case to split some info off to other articles, e.g. "Top goalscorers" in the Championship/2nd tier, 1892–present.
We should certainly keep and expand the articleFootball League First Division, with the main focus on 1888-1992 when it was the English "premier league" for 93 seasons – a rich history that the article barely deals with. (The 1992–2004 years should be mentioned there in separate sections, because the same info could be duplicated in EFL Championship).
Questions:
Thanks,
Demokra (talk)02:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The EFL Championship is definitely the same as the old Second Division, and the same as the 1992-2004 Division One. When a human changes their name they don't get a new Wikipedia page, although the name change is mentioned. So why not for sports leagues? Is there actually anyone who is interested in the English second level, but only back as far as 2004?
Also, it would probably be good if there was a page showing every English promotion and relegation back to 1892. (Maybe there already is, but it isn't linked at the end of the Football League page). But that's for another day.
The Premier League is a little different because the 1992 split was more than a rebrand: it had significant business implications. If we try to treat the EPL as exactly the same as the 1991 First Division, then the powers that be will try to fight us. We've probably got better things to do.PaulFrame1985 (talk)14:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Isupport merging the articles for the different variations of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier of English football and to be named after the current version as per above by @PaulFrame1985. I would also add to this comment that "when a human [or organisation] changes their name they don't get a new Wikipedia page" it is also what happens in WikiFootball too but for some reason just not here. The 5th tier of English football was first known as the 'Alliance Premier', then the 'Football Conference' and now the 'National League (division)' but all history is covered in one combined article named after what it is currently referred to. Likewise, when a football club changes its name; It is referred to in the infobox and history sections of theManchester United F.C. article that they were founded as 'Newton Heath LYR' but there is no separate article.
If a tier of English football becomes operated bya new organisation then it makes sense to separate the article—as happened with thePremier League breaking away from theEnglish Football League, or whenChester F.C. was founded as a Phoenix club by fans of the defunctChester City F.C.. However, the same football league organisation has operated the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier of English football throughout its existence and has only changed the name.There should only be a split if the history section becomes too long but only under the article 'History of the EFL Championship'
Please add a 'Promoted to' for the teams who went Championship > Premiee Leage149.241.249.71 (talk)20:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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