H.P. Lovecraft's Dream Cycle →Dream Cycle – In the interest of making titles as short as possible (and to remove superfluous information), "Dream Cycle" would seem the logical name for this article.
,-~R'lyehRising~-,22:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment. The term "sleep-dream cycle" (sometimes "dream cycle") is used by psychologists, e.g. Muzio, J N., and Dement, WC, "Ontogenetic Development of the Human Sleep-Dream Cycle," 1966.Science, 152, 604—609, and will likely have its own Wikipedia page at some point. We may want to think about it now to avoid problems down the road.Ahasuerus22:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose if such an article were created it would probably go by the title "Sleep-dream Cycle"; in which case, a hatnote could simply be placed at the top of this article ("Dream Cycle"?) that reads something like:This article is about H. P. Lovecraft's story cycle. For the term in psychology, seeSleep-dream Cycle.
The alternatives might be to make "Dream Cycle" into a dab pg (which I think adds an unnecessary layer of disambiguation), have "Dream Cycle" be the main article for "Sleep-dream Cycle" (prefaced with a hatnote back to here), or have "Dream Cycle" redirect to "Sleep-dream Cycle" (and be prefaced with a hatnote worded similar to{{Redirect}}).
(BTW: In any event, I'm a proponent of "first-come first-served"; thus, since this article was created first, I would like to think it has dibs on the title.)
,-~R'lyehRising~-,01:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Is there a specific order in which the Dream Cycle works should be read? If so, it should probably be listed on the page.
- If I remember correctly, there are some contradictions between some of the stories. --Tydaj 01:24, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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While I do not dispute the accuracy of this article, I am uncomfortable by its use of so-calledweasel words. What it really needs are someverifiablesources.
Also, in the intro the phrase "master of the macabre" looks awkward. Is this anoffical quote (in which case a citation is needed) or was it an editor's attempt to put a positive spin on Lovecraft (in which case it might potentially violateneutral point of view andno original research)?
,-~R'lyehRising~-,23:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)sorry to sound preachy[reply]
- The expression "master of the macabre" is used on the dustjackets of his recent collections, on theRandom House website and byvarious reviewers. I am not sure who used it to describe Lovecraft first, though.Ahasuerus00:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I noticed that an anonymous user removed the{{weasel}} template after making a minor change. However, this still does not change the fact that the article fails to supply secondary sources to support many of the assertions it makes.
,-~R'lyehRising~-,02:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since the Dream Cycle includes those stories of Lovecrafts that take place in the land of dreams, wouldn't The White Ship fall into here as well? Or is there someplace where the stories are divided cannonically that I could check? And what about The Quest of Iranon?209.180.143.9722:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- AndMemory?--Sorensen ru (talk)15:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Discrepancy in list of works?
[edit]I've stumbled across a discrepancy between this page andDreams of Terror and Death: The Dream Cycle of H. P. Lovecraft. That anthology is supposed to be the entire Dream Cycle collected, but contains many stories not included on this page, and omits a few as well.
I'm something of a Lovecraft newbie myself (I'm becoming interested in Lovecraft as a fan of Howard), so maybe the level of correctness between these two sources is clearer to others, who might edit this page or add a note or something. --Daeval (talk)21:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Charles Dexter Ward
[edit]The case of Charles Dexter Ward has nothing to do with the Dream Cycle...Why is it included?— Precedingunsigned comment added by41.219.31.63 (talk)21:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- If I had to take a stab in the dark guess, I say it was included because of Randolph Carter. The Dream Cycle and the Randolph Carter Cycle are certainly intertwined, but I agree thatThe Case of Charles Dexter Ward shouldn't be anymore included in the Dream Cycle than any other general Mythos story.107.19.104.178 (talk)15:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- The correct answer (as opposed to indulgence in speculation) is that the list of stories was haphazardly added to the article as a list of the contents ofDreams of Terror and Death, not as a list of Dream Cycle stories. Despite its title,Dreams of Terror and Death does not anthologize only Dream Cycle stories. There simply aren't enough Dream Cycle stories to fill a book this size (Dreams of Terror and Death is one of the oversized paperback Del Ray anthologies, about eight by nine inches by an inch and a half thick if memory serves), and about half of the stories included are not part of the Dream Cycle. That said, I don't see the need to include a listing of the book's contents since much of it is irrelevant to this article, and because the list has been added in such a way as to mislead readers into thinking that it is a list of Dream Cycle stories when it is not.12.233.147.42 (talk)22:30, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is a discussion over atTalk:Cthulhu Mythos which relates to this article. You are invited to go toTalk:Cthulhu Mythos#structure of articles and comment. Best Regards,CapnZapp (talk)11:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
