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1. Use the official White House portrait as the infobox image. (Dec 2016,Jan 2017,Oct 2017,March 2020)(temporarily suspended by #19 following copyright issues on the inauguration portrait, enforced when an official public-domain portrait was released on31 October 2017)
2. Show birthplace as "Queens, New York City, U.S.
" in the infobox. (Nov 2016,Oct 2018,Feb 2021) "New York City" de-linked. (September 2020)
3. Omit reference to county-level election statistics. (Dec 2016)
gaining a majority of the U.S. Electoral College" and "
receiving a smaller share of the popular vote nationwide", without quoting numbers. (Nov 2016,Dec 2016) (Superseded by#15 since11 February 2017)
5. Use Trump's annual net worth evaluation and matching ranking, from theForbes list of billionaires, not from monthly or "live" estimates. (Oct 2016)In the lead section, just write: Removed from the lead per#47.Forbes estimates his net worth to be [$x.x] billion.
(July 2018,July 2018)
6. Do not include allegations of sexual misconduct in the lead section. (June 2016,Feb 2018)
Many of his public statements were controversial or false." in the lead. (Sep 2016,February 2017, wording shortened perApril 2017, upheld withJuly 2018) (superseded by#35 since18 February 2019)
withoutprior military or government service". (Dec 2016, supersededNov 2024)
9.Include a link to Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (Jan 2017) Include a link to an archive of Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (Jan 2021)
12. The article title isDonald Trump, notDonald J. Trump. (RM Jan 2017,RM June 2019)
13. Auto-archival is set for discussions with no comments for 7 days. Manual archival is allowed for (1) closed discussions, 24 hours after the closure, provided the closure has not been challenged, and (2) "answered"edit requests, 24 hours after the "answer", provided there has been no follow-on discussion after the "answer". (Jan 2017) (amended with respect to manual archiving, to better reflect common practice at this article) (Nov 2019) Strikethrough July 2025. PerWP:EDITREQ, edit requests are not for things that might require discussion. PerWP:CONLEVEL, local consensus may not override community consensus.
14. Omit mention of Trump's alleged bathmophobia/fear of slopes. (Feb 2017)
Trump won the general election on November 8, 2016, …"). Accordingly the pre-RfC text (Diff 8 Jan 2017) has been restored, with minor adjustments to past tense (Diff 11 Feb 2018). No new changes should be applied without debate. (RfC Feb 2017,Jan 2017,Feb 2017,Feb 2017) In particular, there is no consensus to include any wording akin to "losing the popular vote". (RfC March 2017) (Superseded bylocal consensus on26 May 2017 andlead section rewrite on23 June 2017)
Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and currentpresident of the United States. Before entering politics, hewas a businessman andtelevision personality." The hatnote is simply{{Other uses}}. (April 2017,RfC April 2017,April 2017,April 2017,April 2017,July 2017,Dec 2018) Amended bylead section rewrite on23 June 2017 andremoval of inauguration date on4 July 2018. Lower-case "p" in "president" perDec 2018 andMOS:JOBTITLES RfC Oct 2017. Wikilinks modified perApril 2020. Wikilink modified again perJuly 2020. "45th" de-linked. (Jan 2021)
Wharton School (BS Econ.)", does not mentionFordham University. (April 2017,April 2017,Aug 2020,Dec 2020)
His election and policies(June 2017,May 2018, supersededDecember 2024) (Note: In February 2021, when he was no longer president, the verb tense was changed from "have sparked" to "sparked", without objection.)havesparkednumerous protests.
22. Do not call Trump a "liar" in Wikipedia's voice. Falsehoods he uttered can be mentioned, while being mindful of calling them "lies", which implies malicious intent. (RfC Aug 2017, upheld byRfC July 2024)
Trump ordereda travel ban on citizens from several Muslim-majority countries, citing security concerns; afterlegal challenges, the Supreme Court upheldthe policy's third revision.(Aug 2017,Nov 2017,Dec 2017,Jan 2018,Jan 2018) Wording updated (July 2018) and again (Sep 2018).
25. In citations, do not code the archive-related parameters for sources that are not dead. (Dec 2017,March 2018)
26. Do not include opinions byMichael Hayden andMichael Morell that Trump is a"useful fool […] manipulated by Moscow"
or an"unwitting agent of the Russian Federation"
. (RfC April 2018)
27. State that Trumpfalsely claimed
that Hillary Clinton started the Barack Obamabirther
rumors. (April 2018,June 2018)
28. Include, in the Wealth section, a sentence on Jonathan Greenberg's allegation that Trump deceived him in order to get on the Forbes 400 list. (June 2018,June 2018)
29. Include material about theTrump administration family separation policy in the article. (June 2018)
30. Supersedes#24. The lead includes: "Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as
" (RfC Sep 2018,Oct 2018,RfC May 2019). Consensus on "racially charged" descriptor later superseded (February 2025).racially charged or racist.
31. Do not mention Trump's office space donation toJesse Jackson'sRainbow/Push Coalition in 1999. (Nov 2018)
32. Omit from the lead the fact that Trump is the first sitting U.S. president to meet with a North Korean supreme leader. See #44. (RfC July 2018,Nov 2018)
33. Do not mention"birtherism" in the lead section. (RfC Nov 2018)
34. Refer toIvana Zelníčková as aCzech model, with a link toCzechs (people), notCzechoslovakia (country). (Jan 2019)
Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented byfact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics.(RfC Feb 2019)
37. Resolved: Content related to Trump's presidency should be limited to summary-level about things that are likely to have a lasting impact on his life and/or long-term presidential legacy. (June 2019)
38. Do not state in the lead that Trump is the wealthiest U.S. president ever. (RfC June 2019)
39. Supersedes#21 and#36. Do not include any paragraph regarding Trump's mental health or mental fitness for office.Do not bring up for discussion again until an announced formal diagnosis orWP:MEDRS-level sources are provided. This does not preclude bringing up for discussion whether to include media coverage relating to Trump's mental health and fitness. This does not prevent inclusion of content about temperamental fitness for office. (RfC Aug 2019,July 2021)
40. Include, when discussing Trump's exercise or the lack thereof:He has called golfing his "primary form of exercise", although he usually does not walk the course. He considers exercise a waste of energy, because he believes the body is "like a battery, with a finite amount of energy" which is depleted by exercise.
(RfC Aug 2019)
41. Omit book authorship (or lack thereof) from the lead section. (RfC Nov 2019)
42. House and Senate outcomes of the impeachment process are separated by a full stop. For example:He was impeached by the House on December 18, 2019, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 5, 2020.
(Feb 2020)
43. The rules for edits to the lead are no different from those for edits below the lead.For edits that do not conflict with existing consensus: Prior consensus is NOT required.BOLD edits are allowed, subject to normalBRD process. The mere fact that an edit has not been discussed is not a valid reason to revert it. (March 2020)
46. Use the caption "Official portrait, 2017" for the infobox image. (Aug 2020,Jan 2021) The consensus carries forward to "Official portrait, 2025" in 2025.
47. Do not mention Trump's net worth orForbes ranking (or equivalents from other publications) in the lead, nor in the infobox. (Sep 2020)
48. Supersedes#45. Trump's reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic should be mentioned in the lead section. There is no consensus on specific wording, but the status quo isTrump reacted slowly to theCOVID-19 pandemic; he minimized the threat, ignored or contradicted many recommendations from health officials, and promoted false information about unproven treatments and the availability of testing.
(Oct 2020,RfC Aug 2020)
49. Supersedes#35. Include in lead:Trump has made many false and misleading statements during his campaigns and presidency, to a degree unprecedented in American politics.
(Dec 2020)
Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who served as the 45thpresident of the United States from 2017 to 2021.(March 2021), amended (July 2021), inclusion of politician (RfC September 2021)
51. Include in the lead that many of Trump's comments and actions have been characterized as misogynistic. (Aug 2021 andSep 2021)
52. Supersedes#23. The lead should contain a summary of Trump's actions on immigration, including the Muslim travel ban (cf. item 23), the wall, and the family separation policy. (September 2021)
53. The lead should mention that Trump promotes conspiracy theories. (RfC October 2021)
54. Include in the lead that, quote,Scholars and historians rank Trump as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history.
(RfC October 2021) Amended after re-election:After his first term, scholars and historians ranked Trump as one of the worst presidents in American history.
(November 2024)
55. RegardingTrump's comments on the2017 far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia
, do not wiki-link "Trump's comments" in this manner. (RfC December 2021)
56. Retain the content that Trumpnever confronted Putin over its alleged bounties against American soldiers in Afghanistan
but add context. Current wording can be altered or contextualized; no consensus was achieved on alternate wordings. (RfC November 2021) Trump's expressions of doubt regarding the Russian Bounties Program should be included in some capacity, though there there is no consensus on aspecific way to characterize these expressed doubts. (RfC March 2022)
57. Do not mention in the lead Gallup polling that states Trump's the only president to never reach 50% approval rating. (RfC January 2022)
58. Use inline citations in the lead for the more contentious and controversial statements. Editors should further discuss which sentences would benefit from having inline citations. (RfC May 2022,discussion on what to cite May 2022)
59. Do not label or categorize Trump as a far-right politician. (RfC August 2022)
60. Insert the links described in theRfC January 2023.
61. When a thread is started with a general assertion that the article is biased for or against Trump (i.e., without aspecific, policy-based suggestion for a change to the article), it is to be handled as follows:
{{archive top}} and{{archive bottom}}, referring to this consensus item. Suggested closure for copy-and-paste:{{atop|Please read [[WP:TRUMPRCB]]. Closing per [[Talk:Donald Trump#C61|consensus 61]]. Eligible for manual archival after this time tomorrow. ~~~~}}{{abot}}This does not apply to posts that are clearly in bad faith, which are to be removed on sight. (May 2023)
62. The article's description of the five people who died during and subsequent to the January 6 Capitol attack should avoid a) mentioning the causes of death and b) an explicit mention of the Capitol Police Officer who died. (RfC July 2023)
63. Supersedes#18. The alma mater field of the infobox reads: "University of Pennsylvania (BS)". (September 2023)
64. Omit the{{Very long}} tag. (January 2024)
65. Mention theAbraham Accords in the article; no consensus was achieved on specific wordings. (RfC February 2024)
66. Omit{{infobox criminal}}. (RfC June 2024)
67. The "Health" section includes: "Trump says he has never drunk alcohol, smoked cigarettes, or used drugs. He sleeps about four or five hours a night." (February 2021)
68. Do not expand the brief mention of Trumpism in the lead. (RfC January 2025)
69. Do not include the word "criminal" in the first sentence. (January 2025)
70. Supersedes#50. First two sentences read:Linking exactly as shown. (February 2025)Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American politician, media personality, and businessman who is the 47thpresident of the United States. A member of theRepublican Party, he served as the 45th president from 2017 to 2021.
71. Supersedes#44. Omit from the lead a mention of the Trump–Kim meetings of 2018 and 2019. (April 2025)
72. Omit from the lead a mention of the January 6 pardons. (RfC July 2025)
73. Article body includes:(August 2025,September 2025)Trumphad a 15-year friendship withJeffrey Epstein; persons who knew them at the time said they frequently hit on and competed for women. Media attention and public pressure mounted in 2025, when his administration did not releasefiles relating to Epstein, despite Trump's promise to do so during the 2024 campaign.
74. This article adheres toWP:EDITREQ. If an edit request is potentially controversial, an editor responds in one of three ways:
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Aren't the assassination attempts against him noteworthy enough to be mentioned in the lede? What do you people think?Shoshin000 (talk)15:35, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sentence "Trump had a 15-year friendship with Jeffrey Epstein" should be changed to "Trump had a 15-year friendship with the financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein", as their friendship is only controversial due to Epstein's crimes.209.93.85.118 (talk)17:54, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They provide a view into how he sees himself and the country. A great resource about a very recent one (him in a fighter jet, dropping excreta on the population) can be found below, in a historian's column. I am not on his actual site to link directly to it, but I'm sure serious wikipedians can find it to refer to it if needed. Thank you.
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-20-202598.252.50.184 (talk)17:46, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is aWikipedia:BLP. We should be neutral, balanced, very careful of the tone and not malign anyone regardless of our feelings.Crampcomes (talk)05:00, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is common practice in Wikipedia to add that he or she is a convicted felon in the first sentence of their biography if they have been convicted. This holds true even for politicians e.g.George Santos. So I believe we ought to add that to the first sentence of Donald Trump's Wikipedia article also.Crampcomes (talk)05:40, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
{{rfc}} template. RfC is for when you can't reach consensus without RfC. We have a consensus that you can find in the talk page archive. We could create aconsensus list item for that if you think it might help. Donald Trump is not George Santos or anybody else. For Wikipedia's purposes, Donald Trump is unique. ―Mandruss ☎ IMO.05:46, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]Why does the photo look like shit? Can it be better?— Precedingunsigned comment added by61.92.37.146 (talk)11:07, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
shot inby a bullet from an AR 15.Space4TCatHerder🖖16:45, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Iadded this text
On October 20–23, 2025, he had wrecking crewsdemolish the White House's East Wing without prior announcement to make room for a 90,000-square-foot ballroom.[1][2]
and was revertedhere with the editsum "overdetail". Trump demolishing part of the White House as a fait accompli, without consultation of Congress, historians, not to mention the owners (aka the people), is more than a detail. It'sthe mortar-and-stone "display [of] Trump's arbitrary power over the Presidency, including its physical seat". It deserves a summary-level sentence in the top bio per consensus #37. As for "meaning its perspective should be on his entire life" perWP:TRUMPOTA: hell yeah. The whataboutism (Truman balcony, Obama's basketball court) by the usual suspects as usual misses the point; none of these changes demolished the historically grown architecture.
References
Space4TCatHerder🖖18:24, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
you found what you wanted in two reliable sources and then quit.Thanks for the vote of confidence.Space4TCatHerder🖖19:06, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]