Talk:Chiron
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Chiron appears in Goethes Faust as well, where he showns Faust the route to Helena
Please, provide pronunciation help for words that are foreign or new to many..
—Precedingunsigned comment added bySaltlakejohn (talk •contribs)16:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"He had the gift of guiding his pupils to uncovering their highest potential..." Uh-oh. This doesn't have the authentic ring of mythological thinking. In fact it bears the distinct stamp of career counselling in an American high school. Some text that echoed or at least directly reflected Greek and Roman sources would make a start towards improvement. Ruck and Staples? J.E. Harrison? Anyone? --Wetman09:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Centaur of Delta Lambda Phi has no name; he is based upon Chiron, but it not Chiron.—Precedingunsigned comment added by22warrior (talk •contribs)02:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2060_Chiron-rudyard (talk)06:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have moved the following unsourced personal essay here: there seems no need to counter it point by point--Wetman (talk)00:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC):[reply]
Wikipedia is a tertiary source. This means that Wikipedia is a catalogue of secondary sources and is not a venue for original search. This means that - in principle - everything included in Wikipedia should be tied to a secondary source and sourced. Everything without a source is subject to deletion without cause. No factoid is innocent until proven guilty. If it doesn't have a source it should be gone. This allows us the luxury of having less stuff with more confidence it is right rather than more stuff where we have no idea what is right or what is wrong. Some things may be allowed to remain unsourced as a courtesy. On top of this, the requirement of the existence of a secondary source ensures significance. If no writer of any secondary source out there has bothered to mention a factoid, it is probably insignificant and not worthy of inclusion. The more insignificant nonsense that gets included, the harder a reader has to work to get significant information out of an article.
In fact, you will notice that truth is not a sufficient condition for inclusion. It is truth as evidence by a secondary source. Typically truth not evidenced by a secondary source is original research, and thus does not merit inclusion. It may be true that in some book the character Joe Bob was nicknamed "Grendel", and you know this is true because you read the book, but this is original research since you are not using a secondary source.Ekwos (talk)03:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The photographs of amphorae need a date for the object depicted in order to give it a proper time period. If the editor who included the photographs could help with this, then it would be much appreciated. Thanks78.146.132.102 Classics (talk)08:28, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The articles says "In other legends, it was Proteus who helped Peleus". Which legends are those?
ICE77 (talk)06:03, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
LSJ has an entry for "Χείρων", but does not say it was also the name of a constellation. LatinChiro orChiron is a poetic name for a constellation. Source: Lewis & Short, entry "Chīron", quote: "As a constellation, Luc. 9, 536.". But the dictionary as well as other dictionaries do not identify it with any constellation. InLuc. it is: "par GeminisChiron, et idem, quod Carcinos ardens, / umidus Aegoceros nec plus Leo tollitur Vrna." I don't know if one can identify Chiro/Chiron with any constellation here.
This work states: "We have already noticed the confusion in the myths and titles of this zodiacal Centaur with those of the southern Centaur, some thinking Sagittarius the Χείρων of the Greeks,--Chiron with Hyginus and the Romans; although Eratosthenes and others, as did the modern Ideler, understood this name to refer to the Centaur proper. Ovid's Centaurus, however, and Milton's Centaur are the zodiac figure, as had been the case with sme later poets[.]"
So the article should include some more information and sources than just as "Chiron [...] was honored with a place in the sky, identified by the Greeks as the constellation Centaurus". -Poskim (talk)21:12, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If Chiron was immortal, how could he die because from an arrow poisoned with the blood of the Hydra? It's not clear if the poison was so powerful to even kill immortals, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me, or if Chiron gave up his immortality first to save Prometheus and then got hit by the arrow and died poisoned as a result.
ICE77 (talk)09:27, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Unless someone objects to it within the next twelve hours or so, I will go ahead and delete the "In popular culture" section for this article. The following are my reasons for doing so:
This article identifies, in two places,Theseus as one of the pupils of Chiron. In both places it is unsourced. Such an episode is not mentioned in our articleTheseus and seems inconsistent with Theseus having been brought up by his grandfather Pittheus in Troezen until he went to Athens as a young man. It also makes it unlikely that he andPirithous, who had been a pupil of Chiron, were strangers when they met as adults. I think the name of Theseus should be removed. Comments? --MelanieN (talk)18:26, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
According to theEnglish Wiktionary, related to κακός (kakós, “bad, evil”). Does someone know a source for this? What could be the reason for this etymology or, more logically, does this indicate he wasn't originally a positive figure? According to theGreek Wiktionary, from χείρ (kheír, "hand"). --Espoo (talk)15:52, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"kakós" is Latinized asCacus, the name of enemy ofHercules fromRoman mythology. Were the two figures confused?Dimadick (talk)16:27, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to put this here even though I know it's off-topic:In Greek mythology, Chiron was a half-horse, half-man, known for his knowledge and skill with medicine. He was the Centaur for Disease Control. --Rpresser18:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Eric:, why were two of the categories removed? Both can be verified from sourced statements in the article itself.Deiadameian (talk)21:59, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
