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Q1: Why is country X included in the list of Axis countries in the infobox? A1: Because reliable sources, cited in the article, describe it as an Axis country. If you think that a country presently included in this list should NOT be included in it, please describe why reliable sources do not support it being included here, and if possible provide sources backing up this position. Particularly in the case of Finland, this has been discussed many, many times, so please review the talk-page archive to see if you have any new points to raise on this topic. Q2: Why is country X NOT included in the list of Axis countries included in the infobox? A2: Only the countries for which reliable sources have been found, describing the country unambiguously as a member of the Axis, should be included. If you think a country should be added to the list, please provide reliable sources that clearly and unambiguously state that they were members of the Axis. Please note that particularly Vichy France, Iraq, Spain, the Soviet Union, and the various puppet-states of the Axis outside of the ones that are included in this list have been discussed a large number of times here, so please review the discussions before opening a new discussion to see if the point you want to make has already been discussed. Q3: Why aren't only Tripartite Pact signatories included as Axis members in the infobox? A3: Because this article is not about theTripartite Pact, which has its own article. Similarly, it is also not about theAnti-Comintern Pact. Instead it is about the Axis, which reliable sources describe as having a membership different to that of the Tripartite Pact and the Anti-Comintern Pact. Q4: Why aren't puppet states and colonies included as Axis members in the infobox? A4: Some puppet states may be included as members of the Axis powers where there are reliable sources stating that this is what they were, however, where no source says that a country was a member of the Axis, simply having been a puppet state or colony of a member of the Axis is insufficient to make it a member of the Axis if reliable sources do not describe it as such. Q5: Why are other states, that were not members of the Axis, discussed in the body-text of the article? A5: States and movements that had notable relations with the Axis, for example states the leadership of which gave serious consideration to joining the Axis, should be discussed to the extent relevant. Relevance should be decided in consensus with other editors - if in doubt, please discuss on the talk page here. Q6: Why was membership of the Axis, as listed in the infobox, decided to only include those clearly and unambiguously described as being members of the Axis in reliable sources? A6: Ina discussion on the talk page in January 2021 it was decided to remove all countries which no reliable sources clearly described as being a member of the Axis. The reasoning was that by including countries that no reliable source actually identified as Axis powers but which some editors had characterised as "Axis co-belligerents", a term with no basis in reliable sources, we were essentially engaging inoriginal research and going outside the topic of the article, which is about the Axis powers and not about wars fought parallel to the wars fought by the Axis. Q7: I disagree with the criteria used to determine what should be included as a member of the Axis in this article! A7:Consensus can change, please feel free to open a discussion here about how you think the article should address the question of which states should be included as members of the Axis in this article. Please also review the prior discussions in the archive to see whether your proposed way of deciding Axis membership has already been discussed. |
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Why is Iraq not listed in the infobox? They were a full-fledged member of the Axis.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Iraqi_Warhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_Iraqi_coup_d%27%C3%A9tatIronzombie39 (talk)00:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please providereliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The FAQ at the top says"Only the countries for which reliable sources have been found, describing the country unambiguously as a member of the Axis, should be included."As discussed previously, co-belligerents of the Axis are not considered members of the Axis and hence do not go in the infobox. The question of including Iraq in the infobox has also been discussed multiple times (see the archives), and consensus has also been against inclusion.Liu1126 (talk)23:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SeeTalk:Allies of World War II#Maps. --Beland (talk)07:21, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The Axis were united in their far-right positions and general opposition to the Allies, but otherwise lacked comparable coordination and ideological cohesion". Is this intended to imply that the Axis were even more diverse ideologically than the Allies were? Even though the Allies included both the US and USSR?80.41.81.172 (talk)22:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I think the primary image for this article should be image 5 (Axis powers#/media/File:Signing ceremony for the Axis Powers Tripartite Pact.jpg)
I believe this image serves as a better representation of the article since it shows the major leaders of the group compared to the current main image (Axis powers#/media/File:Celebration of the Japan-Germany-Italy-Triparite-Pact (1940) in Tokio.jpg) which only shows one groupTanishq.dubey (talk)00:17, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Finland should be removed as an axis power from the list of lesser powers OR its role should be fully explained in the article.
Finland was indeed NOT an axis power, it did not sign the triparty agreement or was in alliance with them. However, it did sign the Antikomintern treaty. It is legitimate to discuss the position of Finland during WW2 but the fact that one or even some historians "consider it to be an axis power" does not make it so. Alternatively, the text should be edited so that it clearly states that Finland was not officially an axis power but some historians "consider" it to be. Then the community can elaborate on this and find other historians with opposing view (there are many). Now this is very misleading, as Finland is listed as an axis power but is not even mentioned in the actual article and the article does not discuss the facts, i.e. that Finland refused to sign the triparty pact, did not follow the common goals of the axis, did not give up its jews and for example refused to participate in the siege of Leningrad. It also ignores the fact that Hitler DID pressure Finland to a closer alliance with Germany in summer of 1944 by stopping the food and weapons deliveries to Finland, which lead to president Ryti to personally promise that Finland will stand by Germany, only to renege on this promise two months later by resigning and stating that his personal promise did not bind Finland.
By omitting all these nuances, the article is misleading. So either add this discussion or delete Finland from the list. For example the German version has most of these details about the Finnish-German relationship. The importance of making these changes is demonstrated by the fact that this English Wikipedia article is shared by Russia sympathizers as a proof that Finns were indeed Nazis during the WW2. Like I said, discussion is good but then it needs to be based on the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Thank you for considering this. I am happy to propose some simple changes as a starting point, although I do not consider myself an expert on ww2.Kuriver (talk)01:32, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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