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It has been proposed in this section thatAndrei Kirilenko berenamed and moved toAndrei Kirilenko (basketball)Andrei Kirilenko (basketball). Abot will list this discussion on therequested moves current discussionssubpage within an hour of this tag being placed. The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached (see theclosing instructions). Please base arguments onarticle title policy, and keep discussionsuccinct andcivil. Please use{{subst:requested move}}. Donot use{{requested move/dated}} directly. Links:current log •target log •direct move

Andrei Kirilenko →Andrei Kirilenko (basketball)Andrei Kirilenko (basketball) – Under the current status quo, a Wikipedia search for "Andrei Kirilenko" prioritizes this page over an article concerningone of the most powerful and influential figures in the Soviet Union during the Brezhnev era. There's no reason why a sports figure of relatively little renown outside Russia should take top billing over a figure of such historical significance.Emiya1980 (talk) 22:24, 11 November 2025 (UTC)— Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk00:47, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's no reason ...: There isWP:PRIMARYTOPIC based on usage—the basketball player's page averages a few hundred views a day (and he's retired) versus ~30/day for the politician.[1]... why a sports figure of relatively little renown outside Russia ...: No, he spent 13 years in the United States with theNBA, which also has a global following. —Bagumba (talk)05:50, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, he played for the NBA. Still, he never achieved the same renown as players likeMichael Jordan,Lebron James,Charles Barkley, orLarry Bird. Compared to someone who had a leading role in one of the most powerful countries in the world and made decisions that affected the fate of millions, that's small potatoes.Emiya1980 (talk)10:02, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are subjective comments based on your opinion. Regardless, Pageviews Analysis shows that the basketball player's page should be the primary topic. I think it's time toWP:DROPTHESTICK.Assadzadeh (talk)14:40, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose perBagumba. Status quo is the clear primary topic, asthe page views tell the story far more objectively and fairly than an individual editor's subjective opinion on what's "powerful", "influential", "significant", or of "little renown".Left guide (talk)05:57, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment While I'm not opposed to renaming the article,Oppose I disagree with the statement that he's "a sports figure of relatively little renown outside Russia". All one has to do is look at his career history and highlights to realize that he had a lengthy NBA career with many achievements. That's why fans still remember his nickname "AK-47" (because he wore #47 when he was with the Utah Jazz).

Assadzadeh (talk)05:58, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose perBagumba. He was also a very prominent figure in FIBA basketball as part (one may sayleader) of theRussia national team.—Gorpik (talk)08:10, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose perBagumba and @Left guideBlookyNapsta (talk)09:55, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Looking at theNgrams the two appear as separate peaks. For "Andrei" they weights of the peaks are similar. However, forAndrey Kirilenko, the primary topic seems to be the politician and the redirect target should be changed.Jähmefyysikko (talk)10:57, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Andrey Kirilenko correctly links to the basketball player, not the politician.Assadzadeh (talk)14:31, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Pure assertions do not carry much weight in RM discussions. If one searches for books about "Andrey Kirilenko", most of the results are about the Soviet politician.Jähmefyysikko (talk)14:44, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Not sure how "books" is relevant here, but a Google search of "Andrey Kirilenko" redirects to the basketball player. Regardless, the discussion is aboutWP:PRIMARYTOPIC, not the correct spelling of the name.Assadzadeh (talk)15:24, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Sure, it is not strictly the topic of RM, but while we are pondering theWP:PRIMARYTOPIC forAndrei Kirilenko, we may do the same forAndrey Kirilenko with equal effort. "Books" is relevant because plain Google search is biased in its own way (it strongly favors recent events). Searching for Google Books shows which kinds of topics are discussed in published books for that search term. It is also biased, but in a different way.Jähmefyysikko (talk)15:50, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jähmefyysikko: Would you say you support the move?Emiya1980 (talk)08:25, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak support per nom, yes basketball player gets more views, but by long-term significance I'd agree the politician is just as if not more significant.--Ortizesp (talk)20:03, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. The higher long-term significance of the Soviet politician warrants aWP:NOPRIMARY setup here.162 etc. (talk)20:38, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. For reasons already provided.Emiya1980 (talk)22:08, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  @Emiya1980: As nominator, your support is implied. SeeWP:RMCOMMENT.162 etc. (talk)00:25, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose moving this article as per Bagumba, clearWP:PRIMARYTOPIC, importance arguments are subjective and cannot be based on any empirical evidence;support redirectingAndrey Kirilenko to the Soviet politician as perWP:SMALLDETAILS andWP:PRIMARYTOPIC for that spelling.Howard the Duck (talk)11:26, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  FWIW re:Andrey KirilenkoAndrey Kirilenko, allthe incoming links are to the basketball player. Couldn't it just as easily be an alternative romanization or "misspelling" by a Westerner for the basketball player, as opposed to a significant small detail? —Bagumba (talk)17:03, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I would have thought many basketball fans know that the basketball player is always spelled as "Andrei" in the Latin alphabet, and may think "Andrey" is a misspelling/alternate spelling or may be another person altogether. As per Ngrams above, there's empirical evidence that "Andrey Kirilenko" primarily refers to the politician, with Andrey spelling not picking up hits during basketball player Andrei's heydey.Howard the Duck (talk)23:28, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  If "Andrey Kirilenko" primarily refers to the politician, then why not rename and move his page, with a hatnote at the top indicating that "Andrei Kirilenko" refers to the basketball player?Assadzadeh (talk)15:06, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The politician is primarily referred to as "Andrei Kirilenko" as well; the primary topic for the "Andrey Kirilenko" spelling is the politician and it can redirect to the politician's article.Howard the Duck (talk)16:03, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support and create dabpage at basename. No primary topic by long-term significance. --Necrothesp (talk)11:00, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Support There are 202 hits for"Kirilenko" "NBA" in Google Scholar and 841 for"Kirilenko" "Brezhnev".Kelob2678 (talk)15:50, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Most of the hits for the second combination are for "Brezhnev", not "Kirilenko". So, the data doesn't seem to support the argument.Assadzadeh (talk)15:58, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Similarly, most of the hits are for the NBA, not Kirilenko. The argument is that the politician is more important in historical perspective, as demonstrated by the search. It is not as subjective as some editors above implied.Kelob2678 (talk)16:03, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose The Basketball article is the clearWP:PRIMARYTOPIC.Kante4 (talk)16:01, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. The primary topic criterionWP:PT2 is not fulfilled.Jähmefyysikko (talk)16:13, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note:WikiProject Biography/Sports and games,WikiProject National Basketball Association,WikiProject Basketball, andWikiProject Russia have been notified of this discussion.TarnishedPath^talk00:49, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose I'm formally !voting after commenting above. The claims of "long-term significance" of the politician are uncompelling and inconsistent with that page receiving just ~40 views/day (100 would be a more interesting case), while the basketball player is in triple figures with almost a 10:1 ratio discrepancy.[2] The nom's claim that the athlete has "relatively little renown outside Russia" is baseless. No prejudice to revisiting if data changes years from now.—Bagumba (talk)07:58, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Bagumba.Maybe the politician is the primary topic, or maybe it should be aWP:TWODABS situation, but I see no evidence presented to support the argument. It's subjective at this point. – Muboshgu (talk)22:38, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If it isn't too much trouble, could @Emiya1980 please briefly explain the significance of the politician? I understand that Soviet politicians often had substantially more power and influence than their formal titles might indicate, and the politician's awards seem to indicate that this is the case here, but I'm still unclear on exactly what that power was or how it impacted the Soviet Union, which is what matters to the politician's long-term significance. it might be easier to judge if we had an understanding of what exactly made this man was so powerful and influential.Ladtrack (talk)06:15, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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