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I think it's definitely notable as news coverage of the riots in Mendiola and Recto on social media was almost as salient as the Baha sa Luneta and Trillion Peso March. I think some events are still ongoing and facts still being verified by authorities, so maybe a brief mention for now then we just expand over the next few days.PaoloBarts (talk)13:27, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some sources I was tracking earlier, might be useful for anyone who wants to start including coverage already.[1][2][3]
Consensus for mergingTrillion Peso March andBaha sa Luneta together into this article, due to overlap of scope and content, in order to ease the navigation and accessibility for the reader. The proposal initially drew weak opposition which largely transformed into support based partly on the guideline concerningcreating standalone pages. Furthermore, there was recentlyRM consensus to move the topic fromSeptember 2025 Philippine protests to2025 Philippine anti-corruption protests, on the condition that should the article be restructured, then a new RM can be opened to determine article title if necessary. Thus the proposal to merge these articles together remains in tact and unaffected. The additional proposal to split September 21 articles form the broader topic, that received support later on, may require further discussion and consensus to implement, but otherwise remains unopposed. I have refrained from explicitly describing the splitting part of this proposal as having consensus, given the discussion is only a few days old. There is however no reason to slow progress by waiting for stronger consensus when there is already consensus to merge. Editors familiar with the content, ideally those engaged in the discussion, are encouraged to implement such a merge at their earliest convenience. It would also be advisable to first merge content and reassess the need for a split, depending onarticle size.CNC (talk)17:35, 12 October 2025 (UTC)(non-admin closure)[reply]
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Support with proviso I support mergingTrillion Peso March andBaha sa Luneta intoSeptember 2025 Philippine protests, and a redirecting of both the previous topics to the latter. This is because the two events had similar backgrounds, and thus share a lot of content. But I feel that there should be an emphasis that the two were separate events, arising as they did from two different coalitions who (distinct despite being supportive of each other) chose the same date because it marked the 53rd anniversary ofMartial law under Ferdinand Marcos. My point being that the merged article should never conflate the two as the same thing. -Chieharumachi (talk)02:04, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think given the lack of content on this article, and that the TPM and BSL protests can be put within the same timeline, it'd be best to justmerge these all into a general catch-all "September 2025 protests" article. Best to keep things consolidated and chronological.Chlod (say hi!)01:40, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeSupport (lean) Both the Baha sa Luneta and Trillion Peso March received heavy coverage by both news outlets and on social media compared to other September 2025 Philippine protests. In particular, there has been international media coverage of the two events. I believe there's enough notability to support having a distinct article for these over the rest of the September protests, although I'm inclined to explore whether the two major Sept 21 protests can be merged into one article given some overlapping participants.PaoloBarts (talk)02:53, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my stance given closer review of precedent (e.g.,No Kings protest) where all related protests are covered by a single article even if there are especially notable protests with higher notability that others. My current stance isweak support towards merging BSL and TPM intoSeptember 2025 Philippine protests. I still strongly support my other point in that BSL and TPM should be merged intoany singular article: despite some news sources distinguishing between the two, there is significant overlap. In any case, I also strongly suggest that the merged article contain subsections covering BSL and TPM separately given their special notability.
From a utilitarian perspective, having a merged article also simplifies the editing work and can enable better and deeper coverage without redundancies.PaoloBarts (talk)11:26, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While it is true that the September 21 protest occurred on the same day as other demonstrations, I believe the TMP and BSL deserves its own article, since it was mentioned in news media outlets provided substantial coverage of this specific event, highligting the aspects such as its time and location, participating groups, and activities like tension and clashes/riot during TMP on Mendiola (considered) that was start on time over 2–3 p.m. until 9:30 p.m.AdobongPogimasarap 🍛03:06, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When the reactions, response, etc. are all essentially similar or deviate only slightly from each other, it's best to consider this as a "series of protests" article rather than have two articles with sections that have essentially the same sources. TheAugust 2025 Indonesian protests article is a potential model to follow; the length may be a bit too long for that article specifically, but for our own protests (even including the ones yesterday), I doubt that we'd have enough content for the article to be uncomfortably long.Chlod (say hi!)03:16, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose merge: Both of them havedeep coverage, and Trillion Peso March and Baha sa Luneta are different organization who planned the protest. My suggestion that summarize both article on September 2025 Philippine Protest.— Preceding comment added byRoyiswariii (talk •contribs)03:01, 22 September 2025 (UTC) (originalsignature removed while fixingwiki markup errors)[reply]
WP:PAGEDECIDE is also a relevant factor here. Sure, both events are notable on their own, but does splitting really aid the reader's understanding of either? I don't think there's much that other articles can provide context on which can't already be included into this page. Even despite differing organizers, they're essentially grouped up into one big "anti-corruption" protest. Even ABS-CBN News' coverage of the protests was a single collective program rather than focusing on each protest individually.Chlod (say hi!)03:23, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There are other protests weeks before the main September 21 protests like the black friday protest and other localized protests across the country. It is enough notability to have a distinct article for that main protests.Myrabert015 (talk)03:05, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just clarifying that there's separate coverage for the two events, although I agree that other articles just cover both. Baha sa Luneta (1,2); Trillion Peso March (1,2)PaoloBarts (talk)10:37, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok makes sense.No Kings protests sets a precedent as it also has a flagship event (the one in Philadelphia) and multiple other events, but all covered in a single article.
I'll change my vote towards lean support. As I still believe BSL and TPM are especially notable, would be good to have distinct sections for these within the merged article. Will update my prior comments accordingly.PaoloBarts (talk)11:16, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The complexity of that article seems to come from its coverage of very specific events and the more liberal usage of nesting subsections (Heading 3 and beyond), not necessarily from it merging all protest activities under one article. We can avoid this even with a merged article by more judicious editing and better use of top-level sectioning. Let's continue to discuss readability elsewhere to avoid getting off-topic.PaoloBarts (talk)14:59, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Isupport now, since earlier Iopposed the merge because both the "Trillion Peso March" and "Baha sa Luneta" had strong coverage in the news, with details on time, place, groups, and even clashes in Mendiola. But after reviewing past cases and seeing how much the two events overlap, I now support merging them intoSeptember 2025 Philippine protests. I still suggest that the merged article keep separate subsections for TMP and BSL so their unique details are not lost. That's all.AdobongPogimasarap 🍛12:50, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support and reminding everyone that the objective here is to be an accessible and readable online encyclopedia. There's a lot of recency bias going on and, coupled with some editorial zeal, has resulted in many of these articles being overly detailed and too long. Do we really need a list of celebrities spotted in the crowd or a blow-by-blow account of performance numbers? Why does the article on the EDSA protests have a casualties number when the violence happened in a completely different city? It's only highlighting why a merge is needed in the first place. I support trimming down the content to the most-encyclopedic and useful info, and that's easier when there's only one article to work on.PritongKandule-✉️📝14:31, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hello editors, I'd like to PING this proposed merge discussion regarding theTrillion Peso March. I recently came across additional sources related to this topic, particularly about the protests planned for November 30. This was first mentioned by userThewideawake1 in the talk section1. For reference, here are some of the sources found:
It appears that the term "Trillion Peso March" refers either to the movement or to the organizers of the said protests. This means a stronger reason tomerge all September 21 articles in one, then have a separate article for general anti-corruption protests.Howard the Duck (talk)11:20, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that there may be good argument for still merging all September 21 articles in one,BUT still having a "Trillion Peso March" article covering the movement/organizers. Assuming the organizers pass muster under notability policy, of course. -Chieharumachi (talk)17:44, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Do we really need to list each school in the infobox?
Do you have reliable secondary sources that you can cite to link the impact of the typhoon directly with the protests? Remember that this is still an encyclopedia and we don't have to include anything and everything, even if they are true (seeWP:NOTEVERYTHING).PritongKandule-✉️📝07:57, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And indeed we do have a protestin Davao City from Brokenshire College and religious groups, this October 1. Think it would be worth changing this to either "2025 Philippine protests" or "2025 Philippines anti-corruption protests" to accommodate what is seemingly a continuing trend of anti-corruption protests.Chlod (say hi!)03:28, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should consider this. Protests continue to be held in various locations by various sectors. One example is the pre-Teachers' Day march held on October 3.Crisantom (talk)02:10, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. In this case I support removing the "September" qualifier. I prefer adding specificity by using "2025 Philippine anti-corruption protests" as all events so far are geared towards protesting corruption (mainly in flood projects but also going beyond those)PaoloBarts (talk)04:16, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose as stated, create a new article for anti-flood control projects protests. The September 21 protests were notable in itself, while anti flood control project protests both before (remember Discaya compound being vandalized?) and after that can be a more encompassing article.Howard the Duck (talk)11:40, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What would be the basis for distinction beyond the arbitrary end of the month? And is there any precedent in other Wikipedia articles for such a delineation?Katzrockso (talk)05:59, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The distinction is one day: September 21, the day of the major protests. The basis of distinction for entire September is arbitrary and indeed there should be separate articles for the protests on September 21 and for those held on other days.Howard the Duck (talk)11:28, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delineation is based onWP:SPLITSIZE; September 21 protests were more significant by several orders of magnitude than other protests from September up to now. That means the September 21 protests are on another article, and a more general anti-corruption protests are to be on another article.Howard the Duck (talk)22:11, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Events which are not protests, and how about pro-Duterte protests
I have remove the ousters of Escudero and Romualdez, as those are not protests. Missing also are pro-Duterte protests, considering they are feature prominently in the infobox.Howard the Duck (talk)00:30, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1. To~2025-33697-33, while senators like Kiko Pangilinan, Bam Aquino and Risa Hontiveros are nominally part of the administration, this article mainly concerns their role in the flood control projects controversy and not as part of the government as a whole. It is genuinely hard to see these people actively supporting Marcos as part of the opposition to the extent that Kiko Barzaga does in relation to Sara Duterte. Kiko Aquino Dee is also not part of the government, he is just a political activist.
Their roles in the flood control projects controversy are nonetheless minor at the very least, the inclusion of LP members as part of the Marcos admin in this article is very misleading. I took the liberty of just removing the inclusion of LP and LP senators in the infobox.
2. "Centrist" is a vague political term that does not have much currency in Filipino political discourse. "Liberal" is a much better term.
3. Why did you undo even minor changes I have made to organize the groups by political affiliation and prominence?
4. Also the list shouldn't be necessarily too long. Only individuals with prominent roles in relation to the flood control projects controversy and anti-corruption protests should be included.
Normally, the people "part of the administration" are those coming from the executive branch. Senators are usually not a "part of the administration", even if allies, due to theseparation of powers.
While "Centrist" doesn't mean anything, Small-l "liberal" may mean something, but can be confused with proper name Liberal Party members. 1Sambayan called themselves "democrats" and I'd probably call them anti-Duterte and anti-Marcos opposition.Howard the Duck (talk)20:44, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do we make a separate article for the "Rally for Transparency and a Better Democracy" protest?
